From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 17 01:01:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDE437B401 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12EE43FAF for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@freebsd.org) Received: from master.gorean.org (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com[12.234.22.23]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <2003041708011900100bt1lce>; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:01:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:01:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton To: Viktor Lazlo In-Reply-To: <20030416231711.F36781-100000@a3ij25fvy80j.bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <20030417004308.K601@znfgre.tberna.bet> References: <20030416231711.F36781-100000@a3ij25fvy80j.bc.hsia.telus.net> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Luciano Evaristo Guerche cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: Bill Moran cc: CARTER Anthony Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:01:21 -0000 On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Viktor Lazlo wrote: > Actually it's devil < Latin diabolus < Greek diabolos that means accuser, > from Greek dia "across/through" and ballein "to throw". Well, I agree with this bit... > Hebrew satan (with two long a's) Both of my Hebrew professors would disagree with you, but that's ok, because since the old testament texts were copied without vowels, it's open to debate. :) > means "the enemy, adversary" from the verbal root satan (with only the > first a long) meaning "to oppose, plot against, persecute" True, that's the root meaning of the word, but both of my Hebrew dictionaries, as well as all of my theological instruction include "accuser" as the most commonly used connotation in the Old Testament. After all, someone who brings accusations against you is generally your enemy, or at least an adversary. Also, the noun form of the word is defined simply as "accusation," and the Septuagint translation of the word in the relevant passages is "hah diabolos," so I think we're closer to agreeing on this than you might realize. In several verses of the New Testament, the authors simply transliterated the hebrew word as a proper name (Satanas) which is where the english word "Satan" as a proper name is derived. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection