From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 22 23:02:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A01DAD3 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 23:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x234.google.com (mail-la0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1C936B for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 23:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id hz20so3855916lab.11 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:02:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6Li+1kPj2siOsjU6bRa3OL0Tu2tN9jHqrPBstMmT21c=; b=SG+EvRGUfVA+KRcSMHODcOYFWyqdRZJzoCpLn56gFUaIVoUx2y/X9F7N5GkUJVao29 RCxqv2tsMIQeHa764KmcS/qoxnD4QmQFCTKFP62vJtokYi3AShZOkDQATDFLk/DCJTux Re9YJnUyD3NijPaPTyOM5xHGYw+nbrj4Fc9nq6JbspMiyyDKJwvzVCoRYpbvgiiDW2qE moxZV1ToR1VtdfrWYfUgVk8QUXCP0E0zImO+w8z6Z3x8q0ndYS9G8PQxYp2ZDC2fe+2V HHY4LSS26qFIcRtpJ7O6LW6Xhenpo+kH7lqXcoc9yH/zFnlhEcDbT5iVcYRVz0TILJ++ ls2A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.52.33 with SMTP id q1mr1137868lbo.42.1414018927706; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.195 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:02:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <54430B41.3010301@NTLWorld.com> <5443191E.5050208@mu.org> <34F30D28-DE9B-444F-885E-F438FEEA46EC@mu.org> <54482A5E.2050303@NTLWorld.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:02:07 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: nosh version 1.9 From: Outback Dingo To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 23:02:10 -0000 On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Outback Dingo wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard < > J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> Outback Dingo: >> >>> >>> IMHO I think we'd be better off with launchd... but this does show >>> intelligence.... >>> >>> >> A while ago, I lived in a comfortable little world. Yes, everyone else >> was getting the likes of Solaris SMF, AIX SRC, systemd, upstart, and >> whatnot. But BSD was alright. Someone was bound to come along and package >> up launchd. After all, MacOS is BSD ... right? >> >> Then I did some investigation. >> >> There have been, to my knowledge, three attempts (in 2005, 2008, and >> 2013) to give launchd to the general BSD world that have involved more than >> just talk. All have foundered. The discomforting truth is that we aren't >> going to get launchd for doing service and system management for the very >> same reasons that we aren't going to get systemd for doing service and >> system management. systemd is full of Linuxisms. launchd is full of >> Machisms. It's simply not a BSD program. It's a Mach program. (The fact >> that the initial process program isn't portable is obvious in hindsight. I >> kicked myself. I've written several initial process programs before. They >> aren't, and cannot be, limited to non-operating-system-specific stuff.) >> One attempt to port launchd involved stubbing out the Machisms. There has >> been a recent attempt to port systemd to FreeBSD that is in the same boat: >> stub out or remove all of the operating system specific parts, and one can >> get a program that will compile (with a lot of compiler warnings); but it >> doesn't function. >> >> The launchd train is never coming. It's this realization, in addition to >> several other motivating factors, that spurred me to aim high with nosh, >> and actually set that task of converting those rc.d scripts. Feel free to >> thank the valiant and noble failures of the launchd porters for the fact >> that there's one alternative to BSD init that doesn't put an XML parser >> into the program for process #1. (-: >> >> > Actually thats not true..... We did successfully port it, and it is not > released on github..... and it does work. > > https://github.com/outbackdingo/launchd_xml > And to further note, we have even used openrc successfully on FreeBSD, As it all boils down I think to users preferences I believe having a choice is good..... now there appear to be three alternatives in the mix...... > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org >> " >> > >