From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Wed May 23 18:15:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE52EAB955; Wed, 23 May 2018 18:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 560D4773A7; Wed, 23 May 2018 18:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id w4NIExQC036363; Wed, 23 May 2018 11:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id w4NIExZ9036362; Wed, 23 May 2018 11:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201805231814.w4NIExZ9036362@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: svn commit: r333388 - in head: . share/man/man4 sys/conf sys/dev/nxge sys/modules sys/modules/nxge tools/kerneldoc/subsys tools/tools tools/tools/nxge usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share In-Reply-To: <20180523180840.GA27444@lonesome.com> To: Mark Linimon Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 11:14:59 -0700 (PDT) CC: Gleb Smirnoff , Sean Bruno , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org Reply-To: rgrimes@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 18:15:04 -0000 > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:41:17AM -0700, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > > If end of sales and support is enough to remove 10g driver from the kernel, > > can we please delete all 10Mbit, 100Mbit 10+ year old drivers from the kernel? > > Depends on how many existing users we want to screw over. Not everyone > replaces all their hardware every 2 years, folks. And some of us buy 2 year old hardware because it is cheap, and serves our needs just fine. Even 8 year old servers make usable machines today. > The difference is that the Exar chips failed in the marketplace; very > few seem to have made it out into the wild. > > Given, 10Mbit-only things are way past their sell-by date. Do we even have any 10Mbit only drivers? I think that all the 10mbit drivers also support 100mbit devices, but maybe there are some odd cases I cant remeber. I do agree that we need to be very carefull about killing "dead wood", and have advocated proper notice as a first order to helping with that. I think we also need to be able to back track if we find we have made a mistake. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org