From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 23 23:16:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [194.138.37.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D1B37BB45 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer goliath.siemens.de) Received: from mail2.siemens.de (mail2.siemens.de [139.25.208.11]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6O6GOH29690; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:16:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.42.7]) by mail2.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6O6GN314977; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:16:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e6O6GNa61499; Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:16:22 +0200 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Adrian Filipi-Martin Cc: John Baldwin , "Patrick M. Hausen" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No /boot/loader (dangerously dedicated) Message-ID: <20000724081622.B87673@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: <200007232030.NAA23028@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from adrian@ubergeeks.com on Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 06:57:12PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 23-Jul-2000 at 18:57:12 -0400, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, John Baldwin wrote: > > > Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > > > Hello all! > > > > > > Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > > > > > > John Baldwin once stated: > > > > > > > > > Folks, gemoetries are for brain damaged PC operating systems. > > > All the box needs to boot is a proper MBR. BIOSes that > > > don't boot from a dedicated disk are _broken_. > > > > No, they are actually smart in that they attempt to use a geometry that > > matches the MBR so that you can move disks around. As a result, when we > > try to fake it, it confuses them. > > Hmmm. Perhaps my memory is failing me, but I've been using > "dangerously dedicated" disks exclusively for the last few years, because > it was supposed to insulate me from the silliness of BIOS geometry > translation. By insulate, I mean that a disk formatted on one system was > always usable on another even if it decided to have a different geometry > translation. > > I don't shuttle disks around between systems as much as I used to, > but I do recall dedicated mode helping. The only systems that had problem > booting were old and are long gone. I haven't seen or bought anything in > the last three years that won't boot a "dangerously dedicated" disk. Buy a (brandnew) Siemens machine and you will see one :-(. -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message