From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 4 08:09:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180B7106564A; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2128FC1B; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id r27so2631725ele.13 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:09:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=L8hraKIKW0xvUnYbnzdjt47+GmvMe5fDA0+VU4CXSfw=; b=XBfJCnx0mrMcjqpEVb7Z0n0Bp42DjO5eUqJNL2DhCi7Szz6rpmuCDxnbnOkCdXckki zvgmQuDGxQF2IbdpJLYrzlWUTLr4cA3Z/VF5l8AJnTGOP1qD8haLNHegmI566yWs0aM6 RVZgUpNuWJqm907UP5BKrSGNsXfN0kQM0WURw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qiu4JnyBbSsKLw/2DGV5kkTVmUskacZWbhFG4KNfkVMKNOgvw2oLfnD2WjRxgXekkp SdSoCfCAowxCj4hxxq58qdIgj+ZY05thNmxNCvrnbTLv/YXjbJ+L1UY8fr7wM5vzGd3u omjlFlc4qEzbqIiaQ0GkhgwFgbL83JwJPEXQ4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.25.11 with SMTP id 11mr3434095agy.72.1236154171056; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:09:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20090302233215.GA53763@duncan.reilly.home> References: <2E9BD549-EF77-4F48-AB7E-C93AFC4BE387@gmail.com> <49ABCECE.1040102@gmail.com> <2fd864e0903020512i22b2c31fg487aaf37fed6398b@mail.gmail.com> <20090302.132522.-432836388.imp@bsdimp.com> <20090302233215.GA53763@duncan.reilly.home> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 00:09:30 -0800 Message-ID: <7d6fde3d0903040009y1b9d009chbacab05180630572@mail.gmail.com> From: Garrett Cooper To: Andrew Reilly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: usb@freebsd.org, astrodog@gmail.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, mmakonnen@gmail.com, "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: The rc.d mess strikes back X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:09:32 -0000 On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Andrew Reilly wrote: > On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 01:25:22PM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: >> In message: <2fd864e0903020512i22b2c31fg487aaf37fed6398b@mail.gmail.com> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Astrodog writes: >> : As unfortunate (and annoying) as that delay was, your system was in a >> : "defined" state, at the end of rc.d. As things stand now, that doesn't >> : appear to be the case anymore, and I think that may be a more >> : significant issue than the delay. >> >> I'd be happy with synchronous dhcp. > > The more general problem is the (large) number of network > applications that assume that network addresses and routes never > change (because that's how things were when they were written.) > My personal pet peeve is ntpd, but there are many others. =A0Any > daemon that caches host IP address information at startup is > (IMO) broken, and needs to be fixed. =A0There are many reasons why > network addresses may change *after* startup, and it is not > reasonable to go around and manually HUP everything when that > happens. > > Needing synchronous DHCP as a work-around here is just the > signifier of the problem: it isn't the over-all solution. I completely and wholeheartedly agree with you. This could be more difficult with contributed software, but it can be done! Thanks =3D], -Garrett