From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 18 18:02:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F1EF9A; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:02:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uqs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from acme.spoerlein.net (acme.spoerlein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:23c2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDEDCD1; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (acme.spoerlein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:23c2::1]) by acme.spoerlein.net (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r1II2m5F017430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:02:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uqs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:02:47 +0100 From: Ulrich =?utf-8?B?U3DDtnJsZWlu?= To: Joel Dahl Subject: Re: svn commit: r246362 - head/games/fortune/datfiles Message-ID: <20130218180247.GC38645@acme.spoerlein.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ulrich =?utf-8?B?U3DDtnJsZWlu?= , Joel Dahl , Gleb Smirnoff , John Baldwin , Benjamin Kaduk , Dag-Erling SmXXrgrav , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org References: <201302051439.r15EdcE7011203@svn.freebsd.org> <201302051158.55117.jhb@freebsd.org> <20130205205547.GI26896@FreeBSD.org> <201302051617.25454.jhb@freebsd.org> <20130206071807.GN26896@FreeBSD.org> <20130206074201.GG21730@jd.benders.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130206074201.GG21730@jd.benders.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Benjamin Kaduk , src-committers@freebsd.org, John Baldwin , svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Gleb Smirnoff , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Dag-Erling SmXXrgrav X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:02:51 -0000 On Wed, 2013-02-06 at 08:42:01 +0100, Joel Dahl wrote: > On 06-02-2013 11:18, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 04:17:25PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > J> On Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:55:47 pm Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > > J> > On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 11:58:54AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > J> > J> > > On Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:39:38 am Dag-Erling SmXXrgrav wrote: > > J> > J> > > > Author: des > > J> > J> > > > Date: Tue Feb 5 14:39:37 2013 > > J> > J> > > > New Revision: 246362 > > J> > J> > > > URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/246362 > > J> > J> > > > > > J> > J> > > > Log: > > J> > J> > > > Remove political propaganda > > J> > J> > > > > > J> > J> > > > Modified: > > J> > J> > > > head/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes-o.real > > J> > J> > > > > J> > J> > > *sigh* > > J> > J> > > > > J> > J> > > I'm sure there are other quotes that people who do not share your political > > J> > J> > > persuasion might find propaganda or offensive, etc. Censorship and freedom > > J> > J> > > of speech is quite a sticky widget, and I think the only truly sane policy > > J> > J> > > is that fortune files are append-only (unless we outright remove them and > > J> > J> > > that seems excessive). And new things should have a very high bar to be > > J> > J> > > added to fortune. Perhaps we should move fortunes-o to ports entirely? > > J> > J> > > > > J> > J> > > > J> > J> > I am more concerned about the insta-MFC than the removal per se. > > J> > J> > Only security or legal issues are cause to go under 3 days, was my > > J> > J> > impression. > > J> > J> > > J> > J> Yes, the insta-MFC is also not appropriate, esp. for something that you know > > J> > J> is going to raise eyebrows when it is committed. Having to debate this sort > > J> > J> of thing in public on mailing lists is also distinctly unhelpful and very > > J> > J> distracting from productive work. Also, I'd like to preemptively ask > > J> > J> developers to refrain from any further commits to the fortunes datfiles for > > J> > J> the time being as the last thing we need is a commit war over this sort of > > J> > J> thing. > > J> > > > J> > What about just moving the entire games subdirectory to ports repo? > > J> > > J> We've already moved most of it many years ago. > > > > The yesterday bikeshed proves that "most" isn't enough. :( The entire games subdir > > needs to be moved. > > +1 > > This is a worthless discussion that seems to pop up from time to time. Move it > to ports. No. There are people that use morse(6) in production code and stuff like random(6) can also be very useful. This is *BSD legacy and if it was for me, the whole games stuff would be brought *back* into the tree from ports. So can we move on to something else now and let this one die? kthxbai Uli