From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 22 01:51:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB9E16A439; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:51:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EFE43D95; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:50:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from [192.168.4.250] (dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.250]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6M1okT5004196; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:50:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) In-Reply-To: <200507211726.14034.jhb@FreeBSD.org> References: <200507201959.j6KJxkJl000803@repoman.freebsd.org> <86hdenx5mg.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050721203934.GC1097@anarion> <200507211726.14034.jhb@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1c30f7f77c7adf4e70096cf34ae73e5d@xcllnt.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marcel Moolenaar Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:50:45 -0700 To: John Baldwin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-src@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, "Liam J. Foy" , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , Peter Grehan Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/tools/tools/tinderbox/etc current.rc head.rc update_current.rc update_head.rc X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:51:18 -0000 On Jul 21, 2005, at 2:26 PM, John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday 21 July 2005 04:39 pm, Liam J. Foy wrote: >> On Thu(21)/Jul/05 - , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: >>> "Liam J. Foy" writes: >>>> On Thu(21)/Jul/05 - , Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >>>>> Please add ia64 back for releng_6 and add powerpc and ia64 back >>>>> for head. The least. >>>> >>>> I agree. I'd like to see them added back please. >>> >>> You don't have a vote. Neither does Marcel. >> >> Who do you think you are DES? Seriously, am sure you think you're >> above >> everyone else. You need to dumb the attitude. > > It would be helpful to realize that DES does not have an infinite > amount of > hardware and bandwidth, etc. at his disposal. Bull. I have yet to see him raise the issue that ia64 and powerpc are causing him problems. I have yet to see him ask for help. There has been zero communication reaching me that indicated that the only solution to his problems, whatever those may be, would be to drop ia64 and powerpc. This includes his inability to have a local patch after letting people know on the mailing list that he will not be able to run it anymore. This change was without warning and without cause. He unilaterally decided that the work and effort put in by others was beneath his attention and concern by making the commit like this. And if des@ is incapable of even the most basic forms of communication that he cannot express his predicament or explain his reasons for this change and ask for input even after the fact, then he shouldn't even be making commits in the first place. I'm more than happy to work out how best to accomodate des@ and get the ia64 tinderbox runs somewhere else. Except that I'm currently not happy at all with him. So first things first... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net