From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 11 03:08:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA14155 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 03:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA14137 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 03:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sderdau@localhost) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id GAA23353; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:22:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: Blaine Minazzi cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix In-Reply-To: <339E2562.2C453FBA@denverweb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If you really want to learn how a system operates .......Get into Unix, FreeBSD , linux,,,,,whatever. You get good at these or other similar O/S's you should be able to hack your way around these other operating sys/shells . Stephen A. Derdau XTDL inc 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > Jacob Suter wrote: > > > > My point (as the support personel of intrastar.net)... morons shouldn't > > use unix... If I have a user that calls and does something to the tune of > > "I GOT MY (unix type) CD TODAY - PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO EXPLOIT SOMETHING > > COOL!" I'm not going to be super-keen on telling this person what to > > do.Unix IMHO is for elite people, not for lowly lamer people (ie - the guy > > that barely knew enough to go to WAlmart and spend a lot of money on a > > packard bell).. > > > > JS > > Most "lowly lamer people" as you put it have _no_ interest in Unix. > They just want the latest whiz bang machine, loaded with the latest > version of whatever microsquish decides to pass off as an operating > system. > > Fortunatley, most of the people who are responsible for the exsistance > of freeBSD and Linux, actually want to help people learn more, rather > than treat everyone who knows less than they do as morons. > > We all get the "ASSHOLES DO VEX ME!" attitude from time to time. > That is when we know that we are in need af a vacation. > > I find that most of the users I have that use some variation of unix, > are far more able to solve their own problems than other users. > I might have to spend a little more time at first, but they are usually > not anywhere near as hard to deal with as the people who cannot even > change directories, IF they even know what a directory is. > > They may be begginers with Unix, but, I am quite sure that you were a > beginner once also. I will even lay odds than you made some of the > exact same stupid mistakes as the rest of us. I will also bet that > there were times that you recieved help from someone more astute than > yourself... Why not pass it on? > > Bkm >