From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 19:36:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33DC1065696 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:36:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 930848FC28 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9533 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 2010 19:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2010 19:36:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=NGoYzOnH6cSL3w/Un3+Yq1GQvAoEeQxVz95aPe6gMx5l924JNSeGJTIxrmdOpWgXd+VUodmhu1f4fTQxvmemEw/t5VyVON49VP69wLjAfbZZUvDGq8Eqp/rIS939idzI; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHLtd-0004lj-W0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:36:23 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:30:08 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:30:08 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101113193008.GH45252@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011131647.oADGl5Dt024567@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MP5ln1Rcf9Bvi+ZW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201011131647.oADGl5Dt024567@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:36:23 -0000 --MP5ln1Rcf9Bvi+ZW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:47:05AM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:19:34 -0700 > > From: Chad Perrin > > Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? > > > > =3D2E . . and it is shortly after that point that things get very speci= fic, > > and non-general. >=20 > Not to mention the fact that you _cannot_ specify anything _but_ a 'file' > as the source of the data to be handled. Want to read it from a mag tape? > Can't do it. Want to read directly from a serial port? =3DCan't=3D do i= t. =20 > Want to read directly from the keyboard? *Can't* do it. Want to get the > input directly from another program, _without_ using an intermediate file? > CANT' do it. The GUI "open" dialog doesn't allow for that kind of flexib= ility. >=20 > In a pure GUI environment, if there =3Disn't=3D an _existing_ button/menu= -item/ > selection-list action for it, you _cannot_ do the operation. =20 >=20 > This is, not incidentally, why _pure_ GUI environments have gone the way = of > the dodo bird, except for some fixed-scope production uses. >=20 > EVERYBODY _today_ realizes a GUI _alone_ is 'inadequate' for 'general pur= pose' > use, and proivdes -- at a mnimum, an escape to a command-line, where you = can > do 'anything'. e.g. the MS Windows "run" item on the start menu. I wish it was that simple. Unfortunately, since much of the MS Windows environment was designed *solely* with the GUI in mind, there's a lot of stuff that is not very doable with the run dialog, cmd.exe, command.exe, PowerShell, or even Ypsilon (which, shockingly, is more capable in many ways than PowerShell, even though it's only meant to be a Scheme REPL). --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --MP5ln1Rcf9Bvi+ZW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkze50AACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXnTwCfRc77aOCu+jB71rkKrpbCNKP1 278AoOpMLsJvdEbu6D5l9l4+P0seDYlt =FR+h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MP5ln1Rcf9Bvi+ZW--