From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 17 20:59:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B095F16A41A for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from mail1.webmaster.com (mail1.webmaster.com [216.152.64.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A363113C45D for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from however by webmaster.com (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.3.R) with ESMTP id md50001813725.msg for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:00:20 -0800 From: "David Schwartz" To: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:59:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <868x3ti5ud.fsf@ds4.des.no> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-Authenticated-Sender: joelkatz@webmaster.com X-Spam-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:00:20 -0800 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 206.171.168.138 X-Return-Path: davids@webmaster.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-MDAV-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:00:22 -0800 Cc: Rob , FreeBSD Chat , "Tedm@Toybox. Placo. Com" , Andrew Falanga Subject: RE: Suggestions please for what POP or IMAP servers to use X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: davids@webmaster.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:59:13 -0000 > "David Schwartz" writes: > > More likely, Microsoft was afraid that a portable browser could=20 > > become the > > platform of the future, making the operating system no longer=20 > > particularly > > important. =20 > No. At the time (1995), Microsoft had no clue about what the Internet > was and how important it would become. That was the year they = launched > their own dialup service modeled after AOL, and the year _The Road > Ahead_, in which Bill Gates's ghost writer predicted that MSN would > become the dominant computer network, was released (read the original, > not the later revised edition which papered over the worst blunders). > Microsoft expected to end up in control of client, network and = content. > It wasn't until 1996 that they did an about-face and bet, if not the > farm, then at least a barn or two on the Internet. So you're saying that long before Microsoft saw any importance to the = Internet, they felt that it was important to give away IE so they could = extort money from companies like Verisign to get their keys included? If = you don't see the Internet and ecommerce as important, why would you = think anyone would pay millions of dollars to get their key in? In any event, your argument is contradicted by the historical record, = from US v. Microsoft: ""Certain statements of Microsoft executives proffered by plaintiffs = indicate that the company recognized the impending danger. For example, = Microsoft CEO Bill Gates stated that the Netscape/Java combination = threatens to "commoditize" the operating system. See B. Gates 5/26/95 = e-mail (PI Ex. 2). Following a 1997 meeting with Mr. Gates, Microsoft's = Ben Slivka described Java as "the biggest threat to Microsoft" and wrote = to Mr. Gates that "clearly the work the Java team is doing has hit a raw = nerve with you." SJ Opp'n Ex. 60. And in an essay posted on Microsoft's = Web site, Mr. Gates recognized the potential of Netscape's browser to = "become a de facto platform for software development, ultimately = replacing Windows as the mainstream set of software standards." States' = PI Ex. 3. Other Microsoft executives recognized browsers as "alternative = platform[s] to Windows," B. Silverberg Internet Platforms & Tools Div. = Mtg. Agenda (emphasis in original) (PI Ex. 33), that might eventually = "obsolete" Windows. B. Chase 4/4/97 e-mail (PI Ex. 15). One Vice = President warned that "[t]he situation is threatening our operating = systems and desktop applications share at a fundamental level," and = declared: "Netscape pollution must be eradicated." J. Raikes 8/13/96 = memo (PI Ex. 34)."" DS