From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 18 06:51:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C093106566C for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 06:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117648FC08 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 06:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so3384076iwr.13 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 23:51:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IXWmVRRS6hhlGh66efTB+/4rbC5AMydAOnxHvtw3JaY=; b=r8zGd/2N8IifL8uIS83HAB6UhnKtgkEIXnZS1ZZWnHyqO6JY2yLRM+wiAVlbduHdJw G5aAXTAgpa+McgCLcRwZMl4Xgrswf3oKy/dqYl8RFiE6Ov67bt2Lg/zpGGhh5/ZCBAmL FMsRGptC7tTkKK3jtBz0eQNhn1mvDcRu21trA= Received: by 10.42.197.131 with SMTP id ek3mr894874icb.230.1310971908167; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 23:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (c-98-212-201-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net [98.212.201.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c2sm2730302ibd.22.2011.07.17.23.51.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 17 Jul 2011 23:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E23D7E7.7060602@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 01:51:19 -0500 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com References: <20110717071059.25971662@scorpio> <4E22DFE9.7050007@pathscale.com> <201107172016.30727.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4E23989F.7010701@gmail.com> <4e242fab.s4vpgxxZEUq0LFDq%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <4e242fab.s4vpgxxZEUq0LFDq%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cbergstrom@pathscale.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 06:51:49 -0000 On 7/18/2011 8:05 AM, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Joshua Isom wrote: >> On 7/17/2011 6:16 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: >>> On Sunday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergstr??m wrote: >>>> I hope gnome does [go Linux-only].. Maybe then more >>>> people would forget about it and focus on making KDE better ;) > ... >> What about enlightenment? > > For us old-timers :) > > What's the advantage of any of these "desktop environments" (Gnome, > KDE, enlightenment, Xfce) over ordinary X11 with (say) FVWM2 or TWM? > Certainly there are some useful apps that, for better or worse, are > built with gtk or the KDE toolkit, but what does the full-blown > environment really contribute (other than bloat)? Desktop options are why linux has grown so well. If gnome and KDE didn't exist, linux wouldn't have gotten the market share it did. Desktop environments are a foot in the door technique for server environments. Windows clearly isn't the best server, especially older versions, but it's popular because desktop Windows is popular. The "server" editions of linux distributions are almost mirrors of their desktops, gui and all.