From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 5 16:27:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2502516A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:27:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from illinois.dyndns.org (adsl-68-76-168-142.dsl.spfdil.ameritech.net [68.76.168.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D926A43D5C for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:27:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bja@illinois.dyndns.org) Received: from illinois.dyndns.org (localhost.illinois.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by illinois.dyndns.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BB468A04F; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:45:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 192.168.1.238 (SquirrelMail authenticated user bja) by Illinois.DynDNS.Org with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:45:43 -0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <32866.192.168.1.238.1089024343.squirrel@Illinois.DynDNS.Org> In-Reply-To: References: <20040704121112.GK43549@iconoplex.co.uk><32837.192.168.1.238.1089022879.squirrel@Illinois.DynDNS.Org><200407051108.08551.racerx@makeworld.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:45:43 -0000 (GMT) From: "Brandon Joseph Adams" To: "Brad Knowles" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: training (was Resourceful BSD/Linux NetworkAdministrator) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:27:20 -0000 > At 11:08 AM -0500 2004-07-05, Chris wrote: > >> I agree 100% here. Nothing, I mean nothing can prepare you for >> real-life then >> setting up your own servers, then breaking them every way you can think >> of >> just to fix the issues. >> >> You can't learn that in a classroom. > > Actually, the problem here is that you, as students, cannot > possibly think of all the possible ways to break the machines in > question. The instructors can't either, but they'll be able to think > of a lot more of the sorts of things that are frequently found in > production systems. > > This is a situation where you need someone who is more > experienced than you are to break the systems, and then let you try > to fix them. Moreover, you should have a limited amount of time to > try to fix them. This is something you are highly unlikely to be > able to simulate outside of a laboratory environment that is > associated with classes being taught. >From experience, setting a FreeBSD box on the internet without any clue as to what was going on, there are more than enough people willing to break your box for you that'll leave you with a mess to clean up. I'm not trying to be funny, this is the truth. > > -- > Brad Knowles, > Brandon Joseph Adams bja@illinois.dyndns.org