From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 17 14:23:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08122 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:23:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fddi.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA08100 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:23:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 11046 invoked from network); 17 Mar 1998 22:30:30 -0000 Received: from localhost.simon-shapiro.org (HELO sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) (@127.0.0.1) by localhost.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 17 Mar 1998 22:30:30 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-031298 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:30:30 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Marco Molteni Subject: Re: Sendmail going commercial, and ? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17-Mar-98 Marco Molteni wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Simon Shapiro wrote: > >> On 17-Mar-98 Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: >> >> > show a little kindness. >> >> OK. Sorry for the glee. This program has been wonderful, and it is >> wonderful that it had been. >> >> > plus it aint no sure thang that we are replacing it. >> >> Don't lose hope :-) >> >> Simon Shapiro > > Simon, I really *enjoyed* your reply ;-) > I feel well when I heard that I'm not the only one to dislike sendmail. Thanx. I think sendmail is worth studying. Itis typical Unix thing. The original set of goals was never fully studied (the let's hack code first. Ask why later). The design happened along the way (efficiency, security, scalability, and lack thereof). To add insult to injury, the configuration ``language'' was optimized for the machine, not for the human, totally missing the purpose of computers and sooftware (to serve us mortals). Just like vi (raise a racket, Simon :-), it sort of happened where there was a void, and got established. Later on, the scientists came in and built a theory around the thing. If there was any money in it (to pay the bills while I do it), I'd write a replacement. I've done it once before and it worked real well. But that was for a proprietary contract. Enough time has passed, though... ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.799.2313 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message