From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Wed Nov 29 17:26:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD337E5E838 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: from mail.netplex.net (mail.netplex.net [204.213.176.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.netplex.net", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 871627D03E for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: from sea.ntplx.net (sea.ntplx.net [204.213.176.11]) by mail.netplex.net (8.15.1/8.15.1/NETPLEX) with ESMTP id vATHEALH018987; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:14:10 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS and Clam AntiVirus (mail.netplex.net) X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by DRAC access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (mail.netplex.net [204.213.176.9]); Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:14:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:14:10 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen X-X-Sender: eischen@sea.ntplx.net To: Jamie Landeg-Jones cc: khanzf@gmail.com, bsd-lists@BSDforge.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) In-Reply-To: <201711291336.vATDanka032779@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> Message-ID: References: <46c6014e118501a00c4fb76e051cb880@udns.ultimatedns.net> <201711291336.vATDanka032779@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:26:08 -0000 On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Jamie Landeg-Jones wrote: > And related to that is editting/pruning the message you're replying to ;-) > > Anyway, these lists turned into a spam fest of incomprehensible top posts > and unedited quoting a long time ago. No one (else) seems to care anymore. > :-( > > As for the fortune bikeshed, I think there are 2 seperate issues that have > been raised, and conflated. > > 1) Whether the offensive datafile should have been removed. > > 2) The potentially POLA, unannounced, undiscussed, arbitary decision of > someone to make such a change on a whim. > > Some reactions to the latter have been taken as responses to the former. And considering that -base is being pkg'ized, shouldn't have the question been "should we keep it in base or move it to ports"? It'll be a package regardless, and just [supposing] because it's in -base doesn't mean it gets installed by default. Not much of an opinion on fortune(6), though sad to see most of it culled. But perhaps future Danish axings should wait and see how pkg-ized base plays out? Ask where do we want to maintain it, base or ports; it can be optionally installed either way. And is history saved when moving things from base to ports? -- DE