From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 28 18:31:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE094106566C for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:31:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abalour@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054DE8FC16 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:31:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abalour@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so658603fgb.35 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:31:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=L4N0+nOUr83nGN3/l+IHE9/DCk6bRf9jK7GUUUEC/d0=; b=CNu7ZHuTjQE+ufCDwgGSaHP7sbbWle5J/WDKMBsWp68ntFxTrWSf/7UAYTOO0xC/y9 3ZXLRylP8M0cqzkiUUo3z1ZUJKdN000UGv1hWccyXrzZvPY2fdcDKhlGcvLvmapGVsL6 idaQi/Gg9uv9Sz3uUaDSB4tmp5Nscs4bKdrgE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=i7Hsc9ADRXCyM7Hhr/oHZecRTOS912sdEBdoQVt5no8caVXZH8PrC5xW4Lv3z9rf5A WLqwaaHeyTTPR6FOrSo5DjlBSqklCYQWkUvFr3QDuO2dTlU4ODkTI2X4Sc88lUVkpOm6 lFqUnAjT6DnPHgyauPb5YGbBfWK4iMk4sL4n0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.76.16 with SMTP id y16mr3436585fga.67.1235844315883; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:05:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1235840070.19936.23.camel@lenzix.cwb.casa> References: <630286c70902270134u18505882xbabf547190ae8747@mail.gmail.com> <20090227114529.GC91411@orion.ulstu.ru> <1235738361.6496.4.camel@lenzix.cwb.casa> <87DB90C7-3537-41A4-ABBF-C7682F0EE5F0@rgbaz.eu> <49A94AF0.7080603@bah.homeip.net> <49A965D1.7080309@bah.homeip.net> <1235840070.19936.23.camel@lenzix.cwb.casa> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:05:15 +0200 Message-ID: <35f70db10902281005g529ee483ia66d843a15d8d3cc@mail.gmail.com> From: Ross Cameron To: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: THE HACKINTOSH X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ross.cameron@linuxpro.co.za List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:31:01 -0000 Uhm not quite Sergio please see some correction's below On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > So, please if you to to the site of hackintosh, you will > see that it is a Darwin, Macos is based on Darwin, and because > of the copyright (the famous GPL...) apple must give away > the software they use to build macos... Mac OS X is build on MACH 3.0 and FreeBSD 5 MACH 3.0, requires both a 4.3BSD license (Apple has one because of they're A-UX project years ago) and a MACH license (from Cernegie Mellon Univercity -- which they have because they bought NextSTEP). http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/mach/public/FAQ/license.info FreeBSD is BSD licensed and as a result completely free system. http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html As you can see there is no GPL encumbered code in the kernel/initial userland and therefore there is no "must give away" anything. Also the GPL is not a copyright it is a license. Two susinctly different things. > so there is Darwin if you look at > http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource > it show all the Leopards including the 10.5.6 (source code)... > I did not see any restriction of use, for darwin, (well may be a commercial > use???) Darwin is well Darwin, "Leopard" is a userland codebase that sits ontop of Darwin x.y.z For more details : http://www.opensource.apple.com and http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/ > If you start with a binary version > (http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/images/darwinx86-801.iso.gz) > please note that it comes from the apple site... > and download the last one, with some work (in reality a lot....) you will > end with a Leopard (TM) without apple marks... Please see above commentary,... you will not end up with "Leopard" you will land up with a Leopard-like Darwin. > I do not think this is ilegal, and I am not playing warez. Perfectly legal so long as you're not hacking/compiling a cracked/stolent Aqua user interface onto you're Darwin. > In fact I am doing the same thing with opensolaris... > get opensolaris (binary), then get the sources (from sun) and compiling the > gnome 2.24 on top of it.... > may be the final product be called hacklaris???? Why not just start with an OpenSolaris and update it??? Would save you a LOT of work. > I needed it because my clients needs internet and with it a good imfamious > flash player... that, in FreeBSD > is not available with the stability I have on solaris... in fact, it is > much more stable than the linux version > besides the "virtual" (virtualbox, xen, zones....) is far more stable on > solaris.... > there are places (in the corporate world...) that the SUN brand counts... > and counts a lot... None of this makes ANY sense,... I use many different Unices professionally and see no real stability differences with Flash (maybe I just set it up differently???) As for the virtualization VirtualBox and Xen are cross platform so I don't know where you're going there? Solaris Zones are cool, but essentially replacable with BSD jails of Linux virtual servers (not virtualized servers mind). I think also that a person jump from the "microsoft cage" to the "apple > cage" he still is in the "cage"... > Users, nowadays (even the "naive" ones) soon realize that they need > freedom. Sometimes those cages (which I dont like either) provide nice manuals/courses/user interfaces that less technical people prefer. Lets not start an OS preeching war again lol -- "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures.