From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 13 6:28:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from riker.skynet.be (riker.skynet.be [195.238.3.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF51237B422 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 06:28:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.241.123] ([194.78.241.123]) by riker.skynet.be (8.11.2/8.11.2/Skynet-OUT-2.11) with ESMTP id f4DDSO123825; Sun, 13 May 2001 15:28:25 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010512170922Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> References: <20010512130047Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <20010512222337.90720.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> <20010512170922Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:28:20 +0200 To: Jordan Hubbard , bzdik@yahoo.com From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Crap OS X Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 5:09 PM -0700 5/12/01, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > I wasn't talking as a theorist either, but perhaps I've simply worked > in a wider array of environments than you have. I can certainly say > that my needs would be rather ill-served by MacOS 8, whereas is > appears to be more than enough for you. The thing I'm most looking forward to is reduction in the number of times my machine is crashed, or locked up into a state where the only way to recover is to pull the plug. If real virtual memory and pre-emptive multi-tasking were the only things added to MacOS 9, I'd be pretty happy. As it is, I've been waiting years for someone to deliver on the promise of taking the Mac interface and joining that to the power of Unix. Don't talk to me about A/UX, I remember what a dog it was. [0] NeXTStep was a better attempt (at least it was a semi-functional OS with a fairly decent GUI), but they had a problem with being able to deliver the desktop applications. For me, Apple has flubbed enough things in the past, such that if they screw up MacOS X, they're toast. I've got tens of thousands of dollars of hardware and software invested in MacOS, but I've been frustrated enough with them for enough years that I think I'll pretty much toss it all away if Apple doesn't get this right. In my book, Apple already has one foot down that road, because of lack of support for AT&T/Lucent/Agere WaveLAN/Orinoco cards under MacOS X. Apple won't support them because they aren't AirPort cards (although AirPort cards are only slightly modified WaveLAN/Orinoco cards to begin with), even though they use real WaveLAN/Orinoco cards in their own AirPort Base Station. Lucent/Agere won't support them under MacOS X because they feel that this is the responsibility of Apple. Somebody has to give. [0] Its only raison de etre' was the fact that Apple wanted the cheapest possible path they could get to being able to say that their hardware was capable of running a POSIX-compliant OS. This way, they could better shoe-horn their way into US Federal Government contracts where the contracting officers really just wished that Apple would dry up and die, because they wanted their PCs dammit, but they weren't allowed to specify PCs directly, so one way they had of locking Apple out was to require that the machine be capable of running a POSIX OS -- regardless of the fact that they would never even dream of running a POSIX OS on the thing, they'd instead run GEM or Windows 1.0, and the hell with POSIX. Of course, for this, Apple chose to base A/UX on SVR2, the oldest (and cheapest) version of Unix that was actually POSIX compliant, as opposed to SVR3 which was newer, much more capable, and had a higher probability of actually being semi-useful. -- Brad Knowles, /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ /* Represented as 1045 digit prime number by Phil Carmody */ /* Prime as DNS cname chain by Roy Arends and Walter Belgers */ /* */ /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ /* where title-key = "153 2 8 105 225" or other similar 5-byte key */ dig decss.friet.org|perl -ne'if(/^x/){s/[x.]//g;print pack(H124,$_)}' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message