From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 15:04:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE7F16A4CE for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 15:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zircon.seattle.wa.us (dsl231-043-165.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 376BB43D46 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 15:04:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us) Received: (qmail 60029 invoked from network); 27 May 2004 22:03:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 May 2004 22:03:29 -0000 From: Joe Kelsey To: stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1085610184.3232.250.camel@zircon> References: <1085610184.3232.250.camel@zircon> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1085695409.3232.374.camel@zircon> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:03:29 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: No Thanks for All the Help X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:04:25 -0000 On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 15:23, Joe Kelsey wrote: > Gee, I ask a seemingly simple question about connecting a very simple > driver to the system and all of ZERO people chime in with help. > > The only thing anyone had to say involved something like "Read and > update isa_compat.h" and I can take it from there! However, noone said > that or anything else for that matter. > > It really upsets me because it seems that absolutely *no* documentation > exists for how to connect a driver to FreeBSD 4.x. Documentation exists > for 3.x and 5.x, but none for 4.x. Well, I did generate quite a bit of response to this particular message. Probably more than 90% of the response involved snide and sarcastic remarks about how no one should ask questions on the stable list and ever expect to receive an answer to them. A very small percentage of respondents actually offered sympathy and some even offered good ideas. I want to thank those few people who actually responded with non-sarcastic and non-snide information for their help. I also want to tell anyone who felt compelled to send me a snide or sarcastic remark that I have safely placed your response in the appropriate folder. > This mailing list just seems useless to me. You know, all anyone ever had to do was to answer my original request with a simple message saying please ask again on -hackers. Or simply point me at the particular file which contains the linkage code for old-fashioned device drivers. No one did this until I sent out my message complaining about how hard I find it to work in the totally unhelpful environment. I personally have years of experience working around many different environments, and the most difficult part always involves trying to figure out someone else's undocumented code. I specifically did not want to go down the whole isa module route as that adds an incredible amount of seemingly irrelevant cruft to a very simple device driver. Anyway, I have nothing else to say on this matter. /Joe