From owner-freebsd-current Sat Nov 23 18:14:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2530937B404; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from vador.skynet.be (vador.skynet.be [195.238.3.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A8443EA3; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:14:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (ip-26.shub-internet.org [194.78.144.26] (may be forged)) by vador.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.20) with ESMTP id gAO2E9m15431; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 03:14:09 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DDF22B8.31D0121F@mindspring.com> References: <3DDEB038.5C8BA89A@mindspring.com> <3DDF22B8.31D0121F@mindspring.com> X-Grok: +++ath X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=black; TextColor=black Reply-By: Wed, 1 Jan 1984 12:34:56 +0100 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 02:15:11 +0100 To: Terry Lambert From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Searching for users of netncp and nwfs to help debug5.0 problems Cc: Brad Knowles , Robert Watson , current@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:39 PM -0800 2002/11/22, Terry Lambert wrote: > In terms of kernel problems, the absolutely most useful information > is the DDB traceback, followed by a DDB traceback mapped against a > debug kernel, followed by a system dump image and a debug kernel, etc.. > By default, the system, as distributed, is not setup to supply this. This was kind of my point. Each OS is going to need different things to be easily gathered and reported, and in this case I think we need to enable more information more easily available regarding kernel panics and crash dumps, etc.... The MacOS X model does not directly apply here. What we want is the concept of taking the important information and making it as easy as possible to collect and report. > Plus we aren't really talking about -CURRENT, we are talking about > "5.0-DP2", or "almost 5.0-RC1", if we're being honest. I understand. Indeed, this is the issue that has brought me into this subject -- my wanting to be able to contribute (but not being able to do so through coding), and Mark observing that my skills in beating the hell out of things might be useful in helping to debug the upcoming -RELEASE. These kinds of things get all that much more important when we're talking about a -RELEASE coming up. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message