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From: David Nugent <davidn@labs.usn.blaze.net.au>
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>  Um, I would point out that one wouldn't be on an Internet mailing list
>  unless one were on the Internet.

I had access to internet email and was subscribed to internet mailing
lists long before I ever had direct access to the internet. This was
all handled by the wonders of uucp, acsnet, fidonet gateway software
and MX records.


>  Most computers have nothing to do
>  with the Internet.  There are a large number of email facilities on
>  mvs, vm, vines, netware, fidonet, uucp, appletalk, or what-have-you.

Yep.

>  My 'majority' figure may become a 'minority' in the not-to-distant
>  future, but the I'm *guessing* that the majority of email-capable
>  systems are still not Internetworked.  Of course this depends on your
>  definition of Internetworked, and of email-capable.  I'm trying to use
>  colloquial meanings here.

I think the point is spurious, nevertheless. You don't need an IP
to host internet mail. What you do need is a gateway and a valid
MX receiver for your domain. The address you use still needs to
be a valid mailbox@fdqn.

In fact, one of the fundamental concepts of the internet itself
is the "gateway". It can be described, after all, as a bunch of
connected gateways with "leaf" systems hanging off it, whether
viewed from a pure ip connection point of view, or from the
email system (which relies on working MX records).

Regards,
David

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David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia
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