From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Thu Feb 27 10:52:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6B525CAE8 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:52:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maciphone2@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x441.google.com (mail-wr1-x441.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::441]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48SqHn1wyMz3KsW for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maciphone2@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x441.google.com with SMTP id j16so1171674wrt.3 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 02:52:21 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=65uWM0oPl0O3xcnEfZVm4uSJxeN2PNc+HdG7J1J0jNQ=; b=MkiFcxkyFBil9fBZRCLVqX1dkjyiZ1eRpRL4qnUEcH7DtP2Ls8/uS37kMGpofmiVeA PM2+Cg9v40KbtQU0OvYlOa7eSh3pzfYwoRFbJ7dIXXwmQ8XnnkYsMEAF5lfx02xxckja 9/uVU019iui6QgEtvBmHJ7lLY0FM2lFoeUzTp0JDMSBXIwHhCbww1HCpN7vNJkrH8JRv BLYPJ0qnmm4zK/IStd+GR5nbqKnncmIxEviYhORS4kNR9iy2Jq+gPoItB2LVOOUFVVW2 WQLfzkOcDLKr+BdGllvo/TMjtkFgTRlixZGbtgw4CFBDD6c5hC6HsxN6Yw48j+Uk2YGT 3gqA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWBhpKJPkbLbL8cExfETiJ3eSUYYoMWZHrnWcbJH94Rb3gqHdZB h0rR8CcKaxgtRkdxJxchX7k+m+gl X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqypwgUBmDpm0MyF6rQg3oj3EsWiTXq8tMyrADm6VLzBCFsju9nP2ptNxxelVfVeYZ2t6HCOXQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:f392:: with SMTP id m18mr4123677wro.406.1582800739317; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 02:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.167] ([46.114.108.157]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c4sm7368824wml.7.2020.02.27.02.52.17 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 27 Feb 2020 02:52:18 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Klaus_K=C3=BCchemann?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.60.0.2.5\)) Subject: Re: Showstoppers for RPI3 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 11:52:16 +0100 References: <20200225175446.GA77976@www.zefox.net> <11951E01-EC13-4FBB-938A-AEB5700C4281@yahoo.com> <20200226052045.GA79939@www.zefox.net> <04e8e290e5d7bb810f76ece4ff33d6e1006e63cd.camel@freebsd.org> <280455B5-E201-494F-A4EB-2426A12B7E2C@googlemail.com> <20200226235908.GD22189@lonesome.com> To: Stefan Parvu , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <302F1554-C645-4323-AEAB-44C3DFE2B628@googlemail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48SqHn1wyMz3KsW X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[157.108.114.46.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arm@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.4.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (2.60), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.41), asn: 15169(-1.67), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:52:23 -0000 > Am 27.02.2020 um 10:56 schrieb Stefan Parvu : >=20 > I think FreeBSD should support and have Tier 1 for ARM64 supporting: >=20 > * a consumer level SBC like RBPI enough well supported (SMP, = PowerMgmt, Wifi, BLE)=20 > this would be good for FreeBSD adoption, IoT projects, university, = students. The board=20 > is not an industrial board but for 30EUR, it does work for = different use cases very well.=20 >=20 > * industrial SBC (like ? Rock64 ?, else ?) this would be useful for = SME and other companies=20 > to build things around FreeBSD for more serious projects. >=20 > ARM is moving fast and should we. FreeBSD must list ARM (aarch64) as = Tier 1 supported platform. >=20 > Talking about NetBSD: can anyone here give a list of what features = NetBSD supports and=20 > we dont ? (RBPI 3B/4) I will ask also on their list a bit later. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Stefan Parvu > sparvu@kronometrix.org >=20 >=20 Hi Stefan, we=E2=80=99ll try to give more detail information on all this stuff in = the Wiki the next days, But for now in short: FreeBSD supports Rockchip-boards , the only problem is that =E2=80=9Enobod= y=E2=80=9C knows it ;-) I asked manu@ for a list of gadgets I do not own myself.. In fact there=E2=80=99s code from NetBSD in FreeBSD, from FreeBSD in = NetBSD , from OpenBSD in FreeBSD and so on.. we just have to took a closer look into what=E2=80=99s next to work = on=E2=80=A6 For Tier1: Tier1 means that nearly EVERYTHING has to be continuously = supported, but not every feature is yet implemented in aarch64(e.g. dtrace = userland support), So Tier1 has nothing to do with e.g. the RPI or other boards, it has to = do with supporting features , But from that point of view FreeBSD is not so far away from = Tier1/aarch64.. e.g there=E2=80=99s openjdk11/12 . A lot of features are available=E2=80=A6= So in this discussion the only problem is the RPI(because it=E2=80=99s = publicly better advertised than other gadgets), Good advertising but bad (firmware-)-vendor support..=20 But why not to support the RPI(4) as far as possible, if other BSDs can = do that=E2=80=A6 Regards Klaus=20