From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 3 15:10:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77CD1065677 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:10:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568D98FC12 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:10:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h27so268144wxd.7 for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:10:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OKYJFPIRmKq4hEqy/LVUsg8KnuXU+Erj0ZLcG7vTQco=; b=FaZpIG/bTGUgF+SXlJOabdasUFHBXe6A35i34iicqwG15RsR3o6JEM5TW1si2Hab5C FEq6TlT28kO2zWBNIyPRdeqai9sbqm/a4632YV0n8XrUPK3sVMbkzRao2LHFmL5qeDRF /yL2L+I+XRrBLX3rpv8dcTyqoABVX2mnffgLk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=KckrdJtdzji7883xgu4zeT4B+mk0nic9bGGChrXr4DWuu8ylmkNBSAJ/36iTAcQQ4S wdVGRUjKkbPD0TABrKQ1DCep4f0vxCiB+52JJp+n2qT80lOuFHTeurz79l/x8aSJq5kc Ub57gPxcFS5yaSR4vabiH7IWRnJnI2O8Go+VA= Received: by 10.70.19.7 with SMTP id 7mr13165764wxs.1.1217776242402; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.3.231? ( [70.111.2.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h12sm5554868wxd.35.2008.08.03.08.10.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" To: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:10:29 -0400 Message-Id: <1217776229.953.11.camel@RabbitsDen> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:22:17 +0000 Cc: Achim Patzner , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers , Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:10:43 -0000 On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 21:45 -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: > > Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Smørgrav: > >> > >> I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking about > >> iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. > > > > The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that > > would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something > > fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the > > picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix > > users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an > > obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once > > but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop > > is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me > > even more. > > Please define "comfortable". I've been running FreeBSD 7.0 pretty > comfortably on my HP nx6320 for several months now. I never attempted > to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader, so I don't miss I am sure this is not intentional, but a lot of the responses in this thread mention not using Bluetooth. If only to make sure that people are not led to believe that Bluetooth support in FreeBSD is lacking, I would like to mention that I have been using it for a long while with Apple Keyboard (something Windows incarnation of the same laptop is not capable of), Logitech V570(?) mouse, Palms E2 and TX (former NAT'd out to the network through FreeBSD host) and the string of Motorola phones for moving pictures, sounds and Java applications back and forth using OBEX. And, just to throw out some other definition of the "comfortable" -- I find my ThinkPad X61 (12" diagonally, 4.5lbs) much more comfortable to carry around than my iBook G4 or the smallest of the MacBooks being sold today. I guess, "comfortable" is on the lap of the beholder ;) -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко)