From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 10 20:18:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA71235B for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:18:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@catnook.com) Received: from mail-pd0-f174.google.com (mail-pd0-f174.google.com [209.85.192.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC7AC29E1 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f174.google.com with SMTP id y13so3152865pdi.19 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:18:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=03p1YJlpq2hnyKwPpzwGnPQwCxdFBmfXxKl/uhHIZWA=; b=Novzvvzpfp0giG1yTmxC2LpXebocENsz64izdSOZpZdksW0fUgDkUzciKWXwezupIe aV409ZNAv9/iojn5YrHL3e1CcqLQF8rjTPccXN/keDuFoS/SrMn482jCUOk9+5HyIyDo s36LMKkpEfVVh2K0y15fCmxe2f/2cG7REzbrIcqn5Z1t8U/47QCDLol8QLHuJpcRaBtB pzreZ3dV0nSLdFx5YDS1Rt0J+Fjdbo884VDNndsUO/YDdhbfHO5KAG3JDL/hZqDrqsaG 6HSFdjYqXAgPPsYCauIwgireFMfTch7bymBFheWhWm7WV/fQYfaCrauhFRzdk/SqCUi4 Tynw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnbxsOy07qXfLfjtQ2zNGLYvs1tII0U41m/NDAidk2sIcCjjhr8o19hpHXvKv2p4Td+IYD1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.135.100 with SMTP id pr4mr16284040pbb.62.1381436328921; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.49.36 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.49.36 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <77307DF8-637D-4295-BF47-8742F1552CE8@orthanc.ca> <525503A2.50002@beastielabs.net> <525537F5.1050100@m5p.com> <5256D192.8010902@freebsd.org> <5256D819.6060500@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rcs From: Jos Backus To: Igor Mozolevsky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Kimmo Paasiala , George Mitchell , freebsd-current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:18:56 -0000 On Oct 10, 2013 1:07 PM, "Igor Mozolevsky" wrote: > > > > > On 10 October 2013 20:36, Jos Backus wrote: >> >> >> On Oct 10, 2013 11:54 AM, "Igor Mozolevsky" wrote: >> > >> > On 10 October 2013 19:15, Jos Backus wrote: >> >> >> >> On Oct 10, 2013 9:38 AM, "Julian Elischer" wrote: >> > >> > >> > [snip] >> > >> >> >> >> > well since people expect RCS.. it is not a no brainer. >> >> > you are asking people to learn a whole new tool for functionality that >> >> is currently very simple.. >> >> > edit file >> >> > ci -l file >> >> > add comment. >> >> >> >> Such is the price of progress. I envy people who don't have to learn >> >> anything new in order to stay employed :-) >> > >> > >> > So your definition of progress is "doing more work to achieve the same result"?.. >> >> That would only be true if they were equivalent, and we didn't care about the extra features. You may not, but many people do, as the popularity of git and other distributed version control systems proves. > > > You're missing the point- the requirement is "provide a way to keep track of changes for file X" not "have many fancy and unnecessary features"... That may have been the requirement at the time of the RCS import but the world has changed in my view. Feel free to use the old tools though, nobody is saying you can't. Anyway, why not change this for 11? Do we feel RCS is superior simply because we are familiar with it? What about all the extra features modern version control offers? Sounds like people think it's all a step backwards, all we need is manage separate files. No need for changesets or any other modern features. I don't really understand the resistance. We're okay with importing Subversion which has less functionally and more dependencies but a single Fossil binary is too intrusive? Jos > > -- > Igor M.