From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 25 20:51:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C80106568D for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:51:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: from hamlet.setfilepointer.com (hamlet.SetFilePointer.com [63.224.10.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AE788FC19 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14274 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2009 15:51:44 -0500 Received: from keira.kiwi-computer.com (HELO kiwi-computer.com) (63.224.10.3) by hamlet.setfilepointer.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2009 15:51:44 -0500 Received: (qmail 47017 invoked by uid 2001); 25 Aug 2009 20:51:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:51:43 -0500 From: "Rick C. Petty" To: Jonathan McKeown Message-ID: <20090825205143.GA46753@keira.kiwi-computer.com> References: <20090825034054.2d57e733@dev.lan.Awfulhak.org> <20090825134447.GM2829@hoeg.nl> <200908251609.09302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908251609.09302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Deprecating ps(1)s -w switch X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rick-freebsd2008@kiwi-computer.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:51:46 -0000 On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 04:09:09PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > > I usually want to see ps(1) output in easily-read columns. Without width > limits, this can't be guaranteed. > > I would strongly object to the complete removal of any option to limit the > output width of ps(1) and make it easily human-readable. > > I'm also astonished at the suggestion that not using -ww is ``a mistake''. I > very seldom need to see the whole commandline for every process. Then you must not use Java much. I almost always need the -ww option. I'm fine with the default being "fit into my terminal width", but I'd be for one option to specify limited width and another option (-w) to specify "as wide as possible". -- Rick C. Petty