From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 25 18:45:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E963116A4CE; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:45:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D0D43D45; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:45:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([68.161.120.54]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040725184547.GPUN1210.out007.verizon.net@[192.168.1.3]>; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:45:47 -0500 Message-ID: <4103FFD4.1000505@mac.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:45:40 -0400 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Dickey References: <20040725104510.GA10921@saltmine.radix.net> <20040725150847.GA19015@saltmine.radix.net> <4103EC99.5040104@mac.com> <20040725180905.GA15760@saltmine.radix.net> In-Reply-To: <20040725180905.GA15760@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.161.120.54] at Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:45:46 -0500 cc: x11@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: blue term color in xorg (was: Re: HEADSUP: X.Org conversion) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:45:50 -0000 Thomas Dickey wrote: >> Ah, I see. X11 is still being developed by people who either cannot manage >> to answer a simple question with a simple answer, or choose not to. > > ...and answering questions from similar people. If you took my comments personally, I apologize. Someone else just mailed me to say that they thought I wasn't being helpful, and I will repeat my reply here (the reply has nothing private in it): I believe I understand both your point and your perspective. It is not my intent to criticise the hard work people like you, Eric Anholt, Thomas Dickey, or others do. It is my intent to criticise X11, for a number of reasons. X11 is needlessly complex, has terrible usability from the end-user's perspective (normal people find the configuration, font selection, and so forth to be incomprehensible), for having poor documentation, and for a number of more technical reasons. X11 could benefit from criticism. To some extent, criticizing X11 means criticizing the work people have done on X11. Some-- perhaps even most-- of the significant problems I see with X11 have to do with the mindset of "needlessly complex answers to simple questions". Why did Apple choose not to use X11 as the window system for MacOS X? -- -Chuck