From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu Jan 24 23:41:33 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8964314C307B for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 23:41:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CC08D202 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 23:41:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id AA22C14C307A; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 23:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877F514C3079 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 23:41:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x736.google.com (mail-qk1-x736.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::736]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21E308D201 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 23:41:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x736.google.com with SMTP id 68so4422511qke.9 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:41:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=UK2t3WphuCB4gQ19tX/AP5N6nTGEixF+XEP0dKdRcMQ=; b=SNsFM1bbJgoRofIV9ZTwRQ3kGmZEs8QvToqGQmWB9FkWafWAdEANxEALfFT1YdgXs/ iMJu4+JFqaFnotZJyaA/7Zx1mPCLya9BetyB14dSmTue2iaYOcG2Nl1AxroNldqmcVwg seNkfUNlpl4JPUbNdnaUNV5PPK6tjE/Sxme3mOUaYXCXMgNo67J/NmId1nmTp6hdJQwr y6jc6HBwYrT8UHg0gRB+TY+Z8O67CSqEIUptnyvSdm1MT9OvQDyf9tsEwwMgMLdgL+I+ V3HbkIXZVKcnYnflBWBbQm3U0SS2+2WeHDHV+/lrZMZ1wvytQeI7H1+79G1HNMzkPTt7 C9vA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UK2t3WphuCB4gQ19tX/AP5N6nTGEixF+XEP0dKdRcMQ=; b=a9TWDuzXk5H93RwfylCoVa9m9EqFvbzBxqSEE1ajImtFQhFOYciD0YJTxUJxJG/tXf mmNOdkpHTMgoQVu0I64TYIZ5qRTT2uqIdZwWRzTQjJAifreyVe0do8j6YFArB6yg4Gi/ nIYf0Xtw9+tSHmJo4uhkN0ZM7WFXisF1Eqndt3pC/aW4qyaGP8mc9tyMDmgE7Fm2h/2I 5FlmQ0If+QsnK+CouJmXlalQNOPmiaIgXG6BystFboaG6I6o9GX6pq0t2uVUZ9jrqdNJ IPw78BtLj1JNVb1yREZRnKrj0Ifgl64r2b96VSn0MPm0E5i2pCjQUZrVbDunZarZnvZp 4rrg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukeRYbHjJMpY7BukiiFv9MtlXxvTL5bugPEVE9i0+MOcq5dSrsKp CzkpCc9LyEfa5FVRR5ECbAajl9buVWqr6BsOSL1dXw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN4/iblHfFrt2zVtn2PkTrVMuZv6JpP5ND5AKEete9y4XeSRGDSWH3aIDSSNbyNDsv6MYDbaeWD/i7q8QF2MiG4= X-Received: by 2002:a37:6e86:: with SMTP id j128mr7984887qkc.46.1548373291205; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:41:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201901242311.x0ONAn1e052387@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201901242311.x0ONAn1e052387@fire.js.berklix.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 16:41:20 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: timed restoral until deleter makes a port To: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: FreeBSD Current X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 21E308D201 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.970,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 23:41:33 -0000 On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 4:13 PM Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Current box here is now about 10 seconds ahead, since timed was deleted, > still waiting for the code vandal who removed timed from src/ > without proper discussion in advance, to move timed from src/ to ports/ > > timed absence will bite more people when 13 is released. timed > should be restored to src/ until the code vandal is forced to write > a ports/ entry. Temporary removal of the src/ commit bit could encourage > this & admonish irresponsible conduct. > > The tech issues have been discussed before, no need to repeat, > this is just a question of enforcing responsible procedure. > The ball is in my court to approve a pull request so we can finish the port. We have plenty of time before 13 and current, is after all, current. So there's no need to do anything rash here. I think all the rest of this is without merit and an overreaction. Warner