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Date:      Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:28:34 +0200
From:      Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>
To:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: politeness
Message-ID:  <v04220801b605412327ce@[10.0.1.2]>
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001007145514.0473b100@localhost>
References:  <4.3.2.7.2.20001007145514.0473b100@localhost>

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At 2:56 PM -0600 2000/10/7, Brett Glass wrote:

>  Sorry, but if anyone takes issue with something I write but is
>  too cowardly to tell me so -- and ESPECIALLY if he or she attempts
>  to lobby behind my back to have me censored -- he or she is out of
>  line and should not be indulged.

	While I agree that people should be more forthcoming with their 
complaints, the reality of the situation is that when people perceive 
someone as being excessively combative and disruptive, they don't 
always directly confront the person in question.  Sometimes, they 
feel that the best way to get results is to approach people in a 
position of authority and file their complaint with them.

	I haven't personally witnessed the complaints in this case, but I 
do have my own opinions of certain aspects of your personality, and I 
find that the statements from PHK sound credible.

	Regardless of what you may feel about him personally, I think 
that this is a situation where you at least have to give serious 
consideration to what he has said.  He is a member of -core, and if 
he says that there have been lots of complaints about you, then I 
have to believe that there have been, and you need to seriously 
re-think where you are and where you want to go.


	I know that in the past I have said and done some things that 
have seriously ticked off Jordan, and I hope that over the years I'll 
be able to reverse the damage that I have done.  If you want to 
positively contribute to the future of FreeBSD, I would encourage you 
to start trying to figure out what you've been doing wrong and what 
you can do to correct that.

	The problem didn't occur overnight, and it won't be fixed 
overnight.  It's going to take a long time to get back to the point 
where most people feel like your contribution is a net positive.

--
   These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy
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