From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 22:35:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879D7BE09B for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:35:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEC3C8EB65 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:35:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:35:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Best hardware for a replacement desktop? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5ceb24c1-66ce-2603-5eed-78283d9676b7@holgerdanske.com> <23861.63968.885139.970960@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <1618173539.5511975.1563822072600@mail.yahoo.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:34:58 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:35:12 -0000 On 7/22/19 12:26 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Here is what I have in mind so far (note I*REFUSE* to buy mail > order/online so this is what is in my local MicroCenter): > > CPU (Ryzen 3600 $200.00 65 watts w/ fan): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966995+4294819840+4294810797+4294819827+4294818783+4294815097&myStore=true > > Motherboard (x570 AMD 4 ATX $170): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966996+4294810816+4294818900+4294818892+4294810798+4294817766+4294818045+4294818894+4294810687+4294815404+4294818877+4294815402+39&myStore=true > > Power supply (850 watt $130 ATX): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966654+4294818900+795+4294817377+780+4294817027&myStore=true > > Case (minitower ATX $75): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294964318+4294821211+4294821002+4294811319+749+4294821195+4294821206+4294821207&myStore=true > > RAM (16 GB DDR4-3200 $70): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966965+4294817445+4294820310+37&myStore=true > > Reuse keyboard/mouse/video card/monitor > > Total: $645 I built and ran homebrew x86 personal computers with Antec tower cases and power supplies, Intel desktop motherboards and processors, desktop memory, desktop drives, etc., for 20+ years. The Antec and Intel hardware has been very reliable. All the HDD's die, eventually. Using generic parts makes upgrades easy. Intel supports FOSS, so Linux and BSD works well on them. Then Intel released the Next Unit of Computing (NUC) products and discontinued their desktop boards. Given that ECC memory is recommended for larger memory applications and also for ZFS, I migrated to Intel uniprocessor server products. I recently upgraded a vintage Pentium D system with a used server motherboard/ CPU/ memory combo (I paid $132, delivered; current price is $77). The performance increase is amazing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-S1200V3RP-Server-Board-Xeon-E3-1225v3-SR1KX-3-20GHz-8GB-Ram-I-O-Shield/123431007451?epid=1941949226&hash=item1cbd0fb4db:g:UuIAAOSwNJlb~bQi:rk:10:pf:0&LH_BIN=1 David