From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 27 23:33:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C0416A418 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-59.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-59.bluehost.com [69.89.20.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1422213C4A8 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 20425 invoked by uid 0); 27 Oct 2007 23:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2007 23:33:30 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ilv9m-0005Ac-QZ for FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:33:31 -0600 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l9RNY4TM076576 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:34:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l9RNY317076575 for FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:34:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:34:03 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071027233403.GA75711@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org References: <4722BAC1.9030906@optonline.net> <20071027103839.4a9393da@makeworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071027103839.4a9393da@makeworld.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Cc: Subject: Re: Portupgrade used to be fun!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:33:34 -0000 On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 10:38:39AM -0500, Chris wrote: > "E. J. Cerejo" wrote: > > > Not anymore! Every time I cvsup my ports tree and I see all of those > > ports that need to be updated my belly aches and that's because > > portupgrade doesn't work the way it used to work. It is not fun any > > more! Always an issue, either a port conflicts with another port or > > it fails all together. I have forgotten the last time I updated my > > ports without any issues. Today scrollkeeper is conflicting with > > rarian, they install files on the same directory. Go figure. Those > > were the days when it used to work. > > This is one of the main reasons users are having a serious look at > Linux distros like Fedora or some Debian-ish ones. That's ironic, considering I used Debian because Fedora wasn't stable enough, and switched to FreeBSD in part because even Debian wasn't stable enough. . . . and Debian itself is far more stable than the other "Debian-ish" distros. > > I have used (and still do) both flavors of the above and I have to tell > y, updating the installed apps is as easy as apt-get update ot yum > update/upgrade. . . . except when they break something. It's a lot easier to fix broken software on FreeBSD than with a binary packaged based Linux distribution, in my (recent) experience. > > I used to love spending my Friday nights updating my FreeBSD ports - > then, as you are finding out - it's just getting tedious. I've never found updating the software on a system "fun". That's part of the reason I find I prefer FreeBSD: it doesn't break shit as often, and thus doesn't make it even *more* un-fun. > I'm not criticizing, simply commenting on my experiences. Likewise, the above are only my experiences. I realize they are not necessarily objectively "true". -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Kent Beck: "I always knew that one day Smalltalk would replace Java. I just didn't know it would be called Ruby."