From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Tue Dec 18 23:39:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8AE1342B0F for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0FA8CE97 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D1E941342B0E; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05771342B0D for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6077C8CE94 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:39:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p2E52C0CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.82.192.203]) (authenticated bits=0) by land.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wBINcl1f085137 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:38:52 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id wBINchM4047791; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 00:38:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id wBINcHKi057605; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 00:38:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201812182338.wBINcHKi057605@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Warner Losh cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , George Neville-Neil Subject: Re: A proposal for code removal prior to FreeBSD 13 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.eu BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Aachen Kent User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.eu/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 18 Dec 2018 09:00:57 -0700." Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 00:38:17 +0100 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6077C8CE94 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.16 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.18)[-0.178,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.06)[-0.059,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[berklix.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[land.berklix.com,slim.berklix.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.57)[-0.572,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[203.192.82.46.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:144.76.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.08)[ipnet: 144.76.0.0/16(2.92), asn: 24940(-2.51), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:39:09 -0000 > And you are trying to conflate two different issues. timed is not useful. Exageration is not useful ;-) Timed is useful. > Technically, it's a crappy solution. OK. But in a heterogenous net, it's nice to retain flexibility. > The data is also > unencrypted / unauthenticated, with no provision to change that. This makes > it spoofable. Some suggested years past: Run over a ssh. Not tried as here it's inside a wall. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant Sys.Eng. BSD Linux Unix, Munich Aachen Kent First referendum stole 700,000 votes from Brits in EU; 3,700,000 globaly. Lies criminal funded; jobs pound & markets down. 1.9M new voters 1.3M dead. Email MP: "A new referendum will buy UK & EU more time (Art 50.3), to avoid a hard crash, & consider all options." http://berklix.org/brexit/#mp