From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mon Dec 31 19:26:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2E1143DAF6 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2018 19:26:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rozhuk.im@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x532.google.com (mail-ed1-x532.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::532]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80444819B1; Mon, 31 Dec 2018 19:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rozhuk.im@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ed1-x532.google.com with SMTP id a20so16344719edc.8; Mon, 31 Dec 2018 11:26:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4tCvQxUkrnHxBtJxSkaICjCoUh0Q9XoaFO2pq6cEhws=; b=TsT3ear8CTCuJ6gUJopFfTp6GKJU3TjhHnVABbj5oL9cdfR+1D2RIj1Khp6+ES23/N kKjea0P1goBFuKe6pOTtY38uP/P6om8gUywCkv82ro68Txr5rIEqH3t1+oMLJIGxyD/Y Kr6j0mn3a3rFkBHnukIcxQpVUgMiSZl2m/FIUCBi+Wdhbnd9VBl0tH7t0d8uugD5gqPL 6QJn89ne8XLdMFDJqg8BuleJ4Wmbag7PMroXH8lwpiuX/eP6hVS/pty++2XVzvxSR8F9 nXBK43ICHq9+w9CmGC9/hLLzTD++lz16rJ7+1PZSH1Z+MmzIanQevJX7iznPahgelo0x I+QQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4tCvQxUkrnHxBtJxSkaICjCoUh0Q9XoaFO2pq6cEhws=; b=OU8iicFbdLnyncRWl2iceMsODUPo/2H8zLzWQaR5ISUVZDhMB8H+KmmZFck/h93F30 QYTFlsr3nz5K4POBUOHDrMXx36SiEJVKVGPq494SWWkv/5iCu2GEf02pLj+TsH+nSXjL vYI85L0wB4QW9U2bhC36MS+WbXK9g9xKHwIXUgcHn6EkVZCiRRxwXBFkY8kgNIDWiz0p 2k36Pd3jAnL4UIYaftxfFJ993IsBX8qLU/b3KwaTPP/LNxLvpEmhiT/XXdR4ULktRcgF m2kU1acIpHyp0zZxLXAgd8BgqJvSC4XdScl9v6yKLw9yn9ws0Ti6cu3hbl244cTCc0Od wusg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYTsPzGYs1FDl2bLw2lWr39vI49Y24mZNTqSlOGSK9ELhKef1eX Nn6KR/lVV/GjjbQ1G1V2JyRqn9t+RiA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XE0Famh/AXujeKWcpB03Ie0K4wEf8BiToW8cfaDnRRLV+RHANCqyl8svEtJ8YeeULdTkUhJQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:5118:: with SMTP id w24-v6mr27902107ejk.215.1546284410554; Mon, 31 Dec 2018 11:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rimwks ([2001:470:1f15:3d8:e9c9:7a24:8755:7ebe]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h8sm16618362edb.95.2018.12.31.11.26.49 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 31 Dec 2018 11:26:49 -0800 (PST) From: Rozhuk Ivan X-Google-Original-From: Rozhuk Ivan Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 22:26:48 +0300 To: Eric McCorkle Cc: cem@freebsd.org, "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components Message-ID: <20181231222648.0a68afd1@rimwks> In-Reply-To: <414c837f-4b06-b6dc-468c-8bbbc8ad8c59@metricspace.net> References: <414c837f-4b06-b6dc-468c-8bbbc8ad8c59@metricspace.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 80444819B1 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.985,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 19:26:52 -0000 On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:58:51 -0500 Eric McCorkle wrote: > I would debate the kitchen sink claim. For one, Rust benefits from a > solid understanding of type systems that didn't exist when C++ was > created. Proper parameterized types are a significant improvement > over C++ templates (the same holds for Java's generics, but that's > tangential). This alone reduces the complexity of the language (and > its error messages) considerably. While I give C++ slack on the > issue of templates because Somebody Had To Go First, that doesn't > mean I relish the idea of writing C++ code. > Who cares!? Who will support all this staff? I want that programs works, I do not care types, classes and other things. Now most things works, so why we should waste time to rewrite it to more difficult to understand and support languages?