From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 11 09:23:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA01462 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adam.adonai.net (adam.adonai.net [207.8.83.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01457 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (leec@localhost) by adam.adonai.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23088; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:23:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lee Crites (AEI)" To: Wes Peters cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do you have some neat configuration files? In-Reply-To: <199709110645.AAA25036@obie.softweyr.ml.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Wes Peters wrote: =>Lee Crites writes: => > So far, from my experience only, most people just want to *use* => > the system. => =>You're close, but the distinction is important. *Everyone* begins to =>customize their system eventually, but they want it to "just work" =>straight out of the box. Microsoft has this covered fairly well; you This is an important point, and yes, I didn't make that clear of a distinction on it. =>install Win95 and it actually can run an application. It's when you =>attempt to customize it to work the way you want to that it begins to =>chafe. "chafe?" Mine died a sad and ignominious death... (of course a big part of that might be the Packard Bell PC I have Microsnot Windoze 95 attempting to run on) =>XFree86 is particularly bad about this, but getting better. Requiring =>people to learn what kind of graphics card they have before downloading =>just won't work; you need to provide some reasonable minimum system and This is exactly why I *don't* have X running on my server. It started asking me questions which I had no clue about. I'm sitting there, with the hardware documentation in hand, mind you, and could not answer a bunch of the questions. Questions which I had never been asked about before or since. So when I reinstalled, X was not a part of it. =>then let them "upgrade" or "enhance" it. A generic SVGA server at =>1024x768x8bpp would probably fit this requirement nicely these days. Perhaps even a couple of options to select from. I'd love the 1024x768 resolution, but some of my users cannot handle the small icons and such. =>I think this would have to be a centerpiece of any "commercialized" or =>"productized" FreeBSD aimed at the Win95, or even WinNT, crowd. I agree. But since I'm not one of the development types, I can't yell too loudly. With everything said and done, I am as happy with my fbsd system as I have been with *any* system I have ever had. My personal wish-list isn't that terribly long. Lee