From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Oct 4 15:07:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2344610AE171 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 15:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Received: from oden.vnode.se (oden.vnode.se [45.76.82.188]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "oden.vnode.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8ECF72F1A; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 15:07:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Received: from ymer.vnode.se (62-20-154-136-no280.tbcn.telia.com [62.20.154.136]) by oden.vnode.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC48D1F638; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 17:07:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 17:07:20 +0200 From: Joel Dahl To: Brooks Davis Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers Message-ID: <20181004150720.GA4942@ymer.vnode.se> Mail-Followup-To: Brooks Davis , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org References: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:07:23 -0000 On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 09:05:16PM +0000, Brooks Davis wrote: > The criteria for exception are: > - Popular in applications where it is likely to be deployed beyond the > support lifetime of FreeBSD 12 (late 2023). > - 5 reports of uses in the wild on machines running FreeBSD 12 will be > deemed satisfy the "popular" > requirement. Why doesn't reports of uses on machines running FreeBSD 10/11 count? I don't get it. 12.0 isn't even out yet, and most of our users are probably not running CURRENT. As I wrote in an earlier email, I have lots of these cards running in production - and most of them are on FreeBSD 11. They'll likely be upgraded to 12.1 in the future (but probably not 12.0 - I usually skip .0 releases). But doing the jump to CURRENT/12 now is just out of the question - these are production systems after all. -- Joel