From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 28 08:01:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FCD16A4BF for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgr6.xmission.com (mgr6.xmission.com [198.60.22.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7AC43F85 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:01:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from mail by mgr6.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19sOGs-0005ta-06 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:01:10 -0600 Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr6.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19sOGJ-0005Mz-06; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:00:37 -0600 Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7SF9XC5073556; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h7SF9VAn073555; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:09:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:09:31 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: "c.rued" Message-ID: <20030828150931.GB73438@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <200308280957.AA20054220@xsb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200308280957.AA20054220@xsb.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.5 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JDK 1.4 and beyond X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:01:11 -0000 On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 09:57:11AM -0400, c.rued wrote: > Here's a question (just curious): > > As of now, if you want the source to a JDK, you have to wait until it's released. Has there been any discussion of getting access to their source repository to get a head-start on development of future JDKs? We have that access already, through the agreement with the FreeBSD Foundation. > Also, has there been any consideration of copying modifications necessary to compile on FreeBSD into Sun's source (that is, assuming it doesn't make compiling on other platforms impossible)? Thats up to Sun. The patches have generally been designed to keep the ability to compile on other platforms intact, so that shouldn't be a problem. > It seems to me that doing these two things would significantly decrease the amount of time necessary for a native JDK. Any possibility of either/both of those things occurring? One has occurred, the other is out of our hands. However, you miss the big kicker with your first question. Is having access to the repository a good thing? Consider that Blackdown has this access. The result is a closed development effort, no source code patches can be released and the binaries can only be released once they've been tested to be compliant. Is this what we want for the BSD Java team too? In your answer take into account the NetBSD and OpenBSD team members who would then have no incentive to participate since they have no binary release license. So, while we have the access, the real question is whether its a good idea to use it. Its a non-reversible decision too, since once you work with the Sun source you're effectively "tainted" with respect to your ability to release source patches under the SCSL. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org