From owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Tue May 12 16:06:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8E62F32FB for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 16:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (pyroxene19.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::19]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "pyroxene.sentex.ca", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49M2k95J8zz4QHt for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 16:06:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4::29] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:0:0:0:29]) by pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04CG6opS003788 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 12 May 2020 12:06:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: RAID - hardware vs. ZFS To: "D'Arcy Cain" , freebsd-fs@freebsd.org References: From: mike tancsa Autocrypt: addr=mike@sentex.net; keydata= mQENBFywzOMBCACoNFpwi5MeyEREiCeHtbm6pZJI/HnO+wXdCAWtZkS49weOoVyUj5BEXRZP xflV2ib2hflX4nXqhenaNiia4iaZ9ft3I1ebd7GEbGnsWCvAnob5MvDZyStDAuRxPJK1ya/s +6rOvr+eQiXYNVvfBhrCfrtR/esSkitBGxhUkBjOti8QwzD71JVF5YaOjBAs7jZUKyLGj0kW yDg4jUndudWU7G2yc9GwpHJ9aRSUN8e/mWdIogK0v+QBHfv/dsI6zVB7YuxCC9Fx8WPwfhDH VZC4kdYCQWKXrm7yb4TiVdBh5kgvlO9q3js1yYdfR1x8mjK2bH2RSv4bV3zkNmsDCIxjABEB AAG0HW1pa2UgdGFuY3NhIDxtaWtlQHNlbnRleC5uZXQ+iQFUBBMBCAA+FiEEmuvCXT0aY6hs 4SbWeVOEFl5WrMgFAlywzOYCGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ eVOEFl5WrMhnPAf7Bf+ola0V9t4i8rwCMGvzkssGaxY/5zNSZO9BgSgfN0WzgmBEOy/3R4km Yn5KH94NltJYAAE5hqkFmAwK6psOqAR9cxHrRfU+gV2KO8pCDc6K/htkQcd/mclJYpCHp6Eq EVJOiAxcNaYuHZkeMdXDuvvI5Rk82VHk84BGgxIqIrhLlkguoPbXOOa+8c/Mpb1sRAGZEOuX EzKNC49+GS9gKW6ISbanyPsGEcFyP7GKMzcHBPf3cPrewZQZ6gBoNscasL6IJeAQDqzQAxbU GjO0qBSMRgnLXK7+DJlxrYdHGXqNbV6AYsmHJ6c2WWWiuRviFBqXinlgJ2FnYebZPAfWiQ== Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 12:06:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49M2k95J8zz4QHt X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mike@sentex.net designates 2607:f3e0:0:3::19 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mike@sentex.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f3e0::/32]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[pyroxene2a.sentex.ca]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sentex.net]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[pyroxene2a.sentex.ca]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-1.71)[ipnet: 2607:f3e0::/32(-4.92), asn: 11647(-3.53), country: CA(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:06:58 -0000 On 5/12/2020 11:46 AM, D'Arcy Cain wrote: > I have to purchase new servers soon. I am planning on getting Proliant > DL360 servers. These come with hardware RAID. I was wondering what > opinions people had about hardware RAID vs. using ZFS for RAID. Is one > safer than the other? What about performance? What about hot swapping? > > All opinions welcome. Not sure what the performance would be like in comparison, but the features and flexibility of ZFS are amazing.  Snapshots, replication, integrity checking are really useful features to have.  Install on both and see if performance is there on zfs vs hardware raid. If they are both good enough performance wise, go for zfs. The feature set is just too useful to pass up. If you go the zfs route, make sure your disk controller is set to JBOD. Dont install zfs on top of raid anything.     ---Mike