From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 18:11:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB89C106566B for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:11:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dieterbsd@engineer.com) Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD11B8FC22 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p2SHxjB7020653 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:59:45 -0400 Received: from dieterbsd@engineer.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id n.1067.1eebf12 (43966) for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.1]) by cia-dd02.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD027-d1c04d90cc68165; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:59:35 -0400 Received: from web-mmc-d02 (web-mmc-d02.sim.aol.com [205.188.103.68]) by smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC011-d1c04d90cc68165; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:59:04 -0400 To: hackers@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:59:04 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 67.206.163.248 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: dieterbsd@engineer.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 33456-STANDARD Received: from 67.206.163.248 by web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.68) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:59:04 -0400 Message-Id: <8CDBB88F5DC1A16-11D4-3257@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: dieterbsd@engineer.com Cc: Subject: Re: New Boot-Loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:11:27 -0000 > Please note that graphical loaders are not very serial console=20 friendly ;-) Yes! Real computers have RS-232 consoles. And please stick with plain ASCII text. The current bootloader is at best ugly and at worst unusable on some terminals. AFAIK the bootloader doesn't have termcap/terminfo available. The default needs to work everywhere. A bootloader does not need to be=20 pretty. If you want a pretty bootloader, put it off to the side and those who=20 both can and want to run it can enable it once the basics are running.