From owner-freebsd-current Sun Dec 27 18:27:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09145 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:27:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09140; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:27:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA26360; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:56:28 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA29884; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:56:31 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981228125631.G12346@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:56:31 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LKMs References: <70843.914810131@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <70843.914810131@critter.freebsd.dk>; from Poul-Henning Kamp on Mon, Dec 28, 1998 at 02:55:31AM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 28 December 1998 at 2:55:31 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > Greg: > > I think Soren was surprised by the fact that vinum sources lived > under src/lkm, they shouldn't have, in particular not because klds > were already on the way when vinum came in, but that aside, a > repository copy (as noted in the commit message) will put the > sources back in action the right place in the tree, and vinum will > be with us again. Correct. Maybe I should have made it clear that there was no intention of removing vinum permanently. But the lack of warning compounded the problem. And vinum came in before klds were in any really usable state (no kernel debug support, for example). I was expecting this change, and I do have a Vinum kld here, and with a bit more work I'll have it up and running, but it would have been nice to have a little warning (hell, even 2 days would have been enough). > Everybody: > > LKMs can still be loaded, we just don't produce any as part of make > world anymore, klds are the future in that respect. > > The flurry of emails we see here now is the very reason why so little > advance notice was given: It is impossible to delete anything from > the tree based on concensus. I wasn't asking for consensus, I was asking for forewarning. > We even had people complaining when we deleted some X.25 code > (because they had >dreamed about< being able to use it for!!) > > If at least people would read their >ENTIRE< mailbox before starting > to send more or less carefully thought out emails, things would be > a lot better around here, and maybe a more democratic process could > work. I don't know if you're referring to me here. But I certainly did read my mailbox. That's how I know there was no ``heads up'' message. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message