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Date:      Fri, 28 Mar 2014 07:12:01 -0500
From:      Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net>
To:        Joar Jegleim <joar.jegleim@gmail.com>, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: zfs l2arc warmup
Message-ID:  <53356711.8010509@denninger.net>
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On 3/28/2014 4:23 AM, Joar Jegleim wrote:
> On 28 March 2014 01:59,  <kpneal@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 11:10:48AM +0100, Joar Jegleim wrote:
>>> But it's really not a problem for me how long it takes to warm up the=

>>> l2arc, if it takes a week that's ok. After all I don't plan on
>>> reboot'ing this setup very often + I have 2 servers so I have the
>>> option to let the server warmup until i hook it into production again=

>>> after maintenance / patch upgrade and so on .
>>>
>>> I'm just curious about wether or not the l2arc warmup itself, or if I=

>>> would have to do that manual rsync to force l2arc warmup.
>> Have you measured the difference in performance between a cold L2ARC a=
nd
>> a warm one? Even better, have you measured the performance with a cold=

>> L2ARC to see if it meets your performance needs?
> No I haven't.
> I actually started using those 2 ssd's for l2arc the day before I sent
> out this mail to the list .
> I haven't done this the 'right' way by producing some numbers for
> measurement, but I do know that the way this application work today is
> that it will pull random jpegs from this dataset of about 1.6TB,
> consisting of lots of millions of files ( more than 20 million). And
> that today this pool is served from 20 SATA 7.2K disks which would be
> the slowest solution for random read access.
> Based on the huge performance gain by using ssd's simply by looking at
> the spec., but also by looking at other peoples graphs from the net (
> people who have done this more thorough than me) I'm pretty confident
> to say that if at any time when the application request a jpeg if it
> was served from either ram or ssd it would be a substantial
> performance gain compared from serving it from the 7.2k array of
> disks.
No, the simplest solution is IMHO to stop trying to RAM-back a 1.6TB=20
data set through various machinations.

A cache is just that -- a cache.  It's purpose is to make *frequently=20
accessed* data more-quickly available to an application.  You have the=20
antithesis of cachable data in that you have a pure random access model=20
with no predictive or "frequently used" means to determine what is=20
likely to be requested next.

IMHO the best and cheapest way to serve that data is to eliminate=20
rotational and positioning latency from the data path.  If it is a=20
read-nearly-always (or read only) data set then redundancy is only=20
necessary to prevent downtime (not data loss) since it be easily backed u=
p.

For the model you describe I would buy however many SSD disks were=20
necessary to store said data set, design a means to back it up reliably=20
and be done with it.

Backing the data store with L2ARC (and the RAM to manage it) is likely=20
self-defeating as you not only are paying for BOTH the spinning rust AND =

the SSDs but you have doubled the number of devices that can fail and=20
interrupt service.

--=20
-- Karl
karl@denninger.net


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