From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 24 1:16: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 667B737B405 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32082 invoked by uid 100); 24 Jan 2002 09:15:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15439.53454.597007.792834@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:15:58 -0600 To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Cc: chip , Terry Lambert , David Schultz , "f.johan.beisser" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Intaller (was "Re: ... RedHat ...") In-Reply-To: <20020124004312.A2760@over-yonder.net> References: <20020123114658.A514@lpt.ens.fr> <20020123124025.A60889@HAL9000.wox.org> <3C4F5BEE.294FDCF5@mindspring.com> <20020123223104.SM01952@there> <20020124004312.A2760@over-yonder.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: "Mike Meyer" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.44 (Python 2.2; freebsd-4.4-STABLE-i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew D. Fuller types: > It works apparently smoothly in the best-case. In most simple-cases, it > won't feel worse than rough-around-the-edges. Start making mistakes, or > trying to get intricate, though, and it feels rather like wearing your > high school sweater to your 30th reunion. Since we're reciting history - I've been doing Unix installs since v6. I started using BSD with 4.0, and FreeBSD with 3.0 - which was also the first time I ever dealt with Wintel hardware. I've installed Unix on PDP-11/34's and Cray X/MPs, and lots of strange things in between. I've installed MS OS's from DOS through Windows ME, including Windows For Workgroups to create a networked classroom just downhill from a glacier 6 degrees from the equator. I've also installed MacOS, AmigaDOS and some other odds and ends. I've also dealth with NetBSD and a number of different Linux distributions. You know what - Matthew paragraph needs one more sentence after the second one: "In complex cases, you can get confused and make mistakes, but you can get the job done." With that addition, the paragraph describes the best of them. There were a few that don't get you into trouble if you make a mistake - but they also don't handle the complex cases at all, and make handling even the simpler cases that weren't the default painfull. The worst of them did that, and gave you a default case that no sane sysadmin would use. In other words, it's nothing to be ashamed of. That doesn't mean it doesn't need improvement; it just means that every installer I've ever run into needs improvement. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message