From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 11 08:40:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6869F16A406 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:40:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FE513C484 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:40:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A16A1A3C19; Fri, 11 May 2007 01:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 39747528E4; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 04:40:27 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav Message-ID: <20070511084026.GA59508@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200705102105.27271.blackdragon@highveldmail.co.za> <17987.52037.112351.872442@bhuda.mired.org> <20070511015156.GA77895@xor.obsecurity.org> <86zm4b3h7h.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070511082657.GA24652@xor.obsecurity.org> <86sla33gkm.fsf@dwp.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86sla33gkm.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mike Meyer , Ivan Voras , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: New FreeBSD package system (a.k.a. Daemon Package System (dps)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:40:28 -0000 On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 10:33:29AM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav wrote: > Kris Kennaway writes: > > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 10:19:46AM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav wrote: > > > Not if you want to use pre-built packages. You made sure of that when > > > you decided (against my objections) to include .la files in packages. > > I have a suspicion you're never going to let that go, but it's not > > relevant here anyway. Binaries have been hardcoding their build > > location (e.g. /usr/local) since the dawn of time. > > Most don't. Assertion without proof. In fact a quick survey shows that 90% of my /usr/local/bin references /usr/local. > > The best you can > > do is to binary edit everything to a string of the same length, and > > that works for .la files too. > > The existence of .la files is a bug. > > We already have a mechanism for recording dependencies between > libraries; it's built into the ELF format, and does not require > hardcoding any directories. Introducing .la files which override the > existing mechanism and *do* hardcode directories is a regression. > > I don't buy the argument that "KDE won't build without them", or > whatever it was you used to justify this. I can't help it that you weren't paying attention. Kris