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Date:      Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:12:42 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Ecclesiastes <ecclesiastes@planetfortress.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Questions <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Adapting.
Message-ID:  <19980906151242.C25397@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <002501bdda14$84b509a0$c48011d0@sean-myers>; from Ecclesiastes on Mon, Sep 07, 1998 at 12:03:43AM -0400
References:  <002501bdda14$84b509a0$c48011d0@sean-myers>

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On Monday,  7 September 1998 at  0:03:43 -0400, Ecclesiastes wrote:

> FDisk Information from both OSes is immediately following this
> paragraph.
> --
> MS Fdisk:
> Primary Partition:
> Partition One -- 1828 Megabytes, FAT16 File System.
> Extended Partition:
> Partition Two -- 1828 Megabytes, FAT16 File System.
> Partition Three -- 1828 Megabytes, No file system.
>
> (Look! Barely Useful Info!)

Well, combined with what we have below, it's enough.

> --
> FreeBSD FDisk
>
> Information Ordered as follows:
> Name      /   Offset /     Size /      End / Ptype / Flags
>  --       /        0 /   63     /       62 /    1  / None
> wd0s1     /       63 /  3743082 /  3743114 /     6 / =
> wd0s2     /  3743145 /  7486290 / 11229434 /     6 / =
>  --       / 11229424 /    25893 / 11255327 /    1  / None
>
> I believe the nameless two are products of DOS. 

No, they're just odds and ends.  Let's look:

>  --       /        0 /   63     /       62 /    1  / None

This is the first track on the disk.  Contains the partition table and
bootstrap.

> wd0s1     /       63 /  3743082 /  3743114 /     6 / =

This is your primary DOS partition.  Size 3743082 sectors of 512
bytes, or 1827.6 MB of 1048576 bytes.  Agrees with Microsoft FDISK.

> wd0s2     /  3743145 /  7486290 / 11229434 /     6 / =

And this looks like *another* primary DOS partition.  Size 7486290
sectors of 512 bytes, or 3655.3 MB of 1048576 bytes.  Does *not* agree
with Microsoft FDISK.

>  --       / 11229424 /    25893 / 11255327 /    1  / None

And this is piddly 12 MB that Microsoft doesn't know what to do with.
FreeBSD does, but it's not exactly enough to install in.

> But when I went through it this time, I figured something out that I
> hadn't noticed before. Since I went directly from MS FDisk into
> FreeBSD FDisk, it was more noticeable. In the data from MS FDisk, I
> included the fact that the first Partition was the "Primary"
> Partition, and the other two were "Logical Drives" in the extended
> partition. That's why I can't install to what I though would be the
> third slice. Er...Partition. The Third Slice is actually part of
> wd0s2, or the DOS Extended Partition. So, the reason I can't install
> FreeBSD is because Microsoft is stupid and I need a new hard drive
> :). Fortunately, Gigs come cheap nowadays. Let me know what you
> think, but I think I've got the problem solved.

Close.  Maybe even a cigar.  But partition type 6 is a Microsoft "big"
primary partition.  An extended partition should be type 5.  I don't
understand how that could happen.

Theoretically, you could change the size of the extended partition,
and that *might* not destroy your D: drive.  On the other hand, it
might destroy it.  If you're planning to get a new disk anyway, that's
definitely a safer way to go.

> And on a Quick note...My experience with Pine has nothing to do with
> Microsoft. It was just on a FreeBSD System that I got a chance to toy around
> with. I also got to see various other aspects of the Operating System that
> really got me hooked. Namely the fact that programs miraculously opened when
> I opened them...not a couple seconds later...

:-)  Was this on the same system?

Pine's not the worst mailer I know, but IMO there are better ones.
Try mutt from the Ports Collection when you get installed.

> Not as much OS Crap getting in the way. I know about crontab and
> stuff...but does FreeBSD have much scripting?

Sure.  The original scripting machine.  The standard shell includes a
powerful (if arcane) scripting language.  I'd strongly recommend the
Bourne shell or friends (bash or ksh) over the C shell, though this
could start a religious war.  You can also use perl or tcl.

> Like if a certain event happens, I can have it do something?

Sure.  There are plenty of good books on the subject.  Try the book
list in the web page first.

Greg
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