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Neal" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Clay Daniels Jr." References: <87sgrbi3qg.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190712171910.GA25091@neutralgood.org> <871ryuj3ex.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <874l3qfvqw.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190714011303.GA25317@neutralgood.org> <87v9w58apd.fsf@toy.adminart.net> From: Ruben Message-ID: <0ed2aef9-0cb8-b7ab-711e-34f139c60285@osfux.nl> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:37:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87v9w58apd.fsf@toy.adminart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 761468EEED X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=osfux.nl header.s=default header.b=RYWUlMxw; dkim=pass header.d=osfux.nl header.s=default header.b=D4mhKu5a; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=osfux.nl; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mail@osfux.nl designates 2a03:5500:1724:55:79:99:187:212 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mail@osfux.nl X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.05 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[osfux.nl:s=default]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.97)[0.969,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[osfux.nl:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[osfux.nl,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[transip.osfux.nl,vm1982.osfux.nl]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[asn: 34762(-0.07), country: BE(-0.00)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34762, ipnet:2a03:5500::/31, country:BE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 08:38:18 -0000 On 7/14/19 7:10 AM, hw wrote: > "Kevin P. Neal" writes: stuff snipped > > What do you do when you put FreeBSD on a server that has a hardware RAID > controller which doesn't do JBOD? Use ZFS on the RAID? I've created rock-solid setups over the years where you just create 6 raid0 arrays and have zfs use those 6 raid0 arrays for a raidz2 zpool. I've created a bunch of buggy zpools that way as well, kind of depends on the raid controller i guess. You can get second hand raid controllers that have been flashed with JBOD firmware from https://www.ebay.nl/usr/theartofserver Those raidcontrollers are great for running FreeBSD and the guy posts lots of interesting videos on youtube and is very responsive in support requests as well. I'd always use JBOD for ZFS. If it doesn't, try to reflash or just ditch the raid-controller if it doesn't support it (and get a "proper" one). Kind regards, ruben