From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 26 3:41: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701FE37B411 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 03:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f8QAegn46785 ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:40:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id MAA01909 ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:40:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:40:42 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Technical Information Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Helping victims of terror Message-ID: <20010926124042.B1370@lpt.ens.fr> References: <3BAC3644.1CB0C626@mindspring.com> <3BAD1FAE.2F3D40F5@mindspring.com> <20010923011557.B60374@jake.akitanet.co.uk> <015e01c143c8$c93505a0$89941bd8@speakeasy.net> <015d01c14519$80553010$3309f540@bigsky> <3BB0CA62.B1F189A9@mindspring.com> <20010925205128.A70023@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010926023654.022caaa8@threespace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010926023654.022caaa8@threespace.com>; from tech_info@threespace.com on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 02:42:44AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Technical Information said on Sep 26, 2001 at 02:42:44: > At 02:51 PM 9/25/2001, you wrote: > >The rest of the world cares because America's "solution" to the > >problem will, likely as not, be to arm some other armed group against > >the Taliban (the northern alliance being the most likely candidate), > >flood the place with more sophisticated arms and ammunition, and > >eventually aim to install some puppet regime there. The catch being > >that a puppet regime will last only so long, and meanwhile a > >disenchanted population will be growing, another Bin Laden among them, > >the difference being that this one is much better armed. Or -- the US > >will simply kill so many civilians and trample over so many Islamic > >feelings that bin Ladens will arise spontaneously from all over. > > Even if such a dilemma does exist, I don't see that taking *no* action is > an option. If destroying two of the most prominent facilities in America > and staggering the global economy into recession wasn't a big enough rush > for the surviving conspirators, I can't imagine the rush they'd get if > there was no repercussion for it. OK, so you can't imagine any other form of action than what I described. Hopefully the people making the war plans have better imaginations. How about this (it probably won't please everyone still, but it will make a big difference from past history and won't offend too many people either). 1. Publish the proof you (the US) claim to have, against Bin Laden/Taleban, as justification for an attack. Don't just keep saying "We know he's guilty but we're not going to tell you why." 2. Attack with your own troops. Don't use and arm local gunmen and militia. Don't take part in civil wars. Just do what you want to do, no more. 3. After it is all done and you have got bin Laden and his associates, *withdraw*. Don't hang around where you aren't wanted. Don't try and support some unpopular puppet regime thinking it is in your own interests. It's not. And while you're about it, withdraw from all the other military installations in the middle east and around the world, too. Do that right now, it will be viewed very positively and bin Laden's major grudge against the US will be gone. Yes, this will be a long process. Anything will be a long process, except carpet bombing and flattening the whole country. (I hope that's not what you want.) Yes, it will mean lives of American soldiers. Well, I happen to think the lives of a few hundred American soldiers aren't more valuable than the lives of a few hundred thousand Afghan civilians. Besides, the soldiers chose that life; the civilians didn't. - R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message