From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 26 06:57:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DD51065673 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534488FC0C; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q5Q6vZ69093375; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:57:35 GMT (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from bapt@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q5Q6vZtg093374; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:57:35 GMT (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: bapt set sender to bapt@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:57:32 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Florent Peterschmitt Message-ID: <20120626065732.GH41054@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> References: <4FE8E4A4.9070507@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oyqLL/JqMvClXZi1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FE8E4A4.9070507@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Port system "problems" X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:57:35 -0000 --oyqLL/JqMvClXZi1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:22:28AM +0200, Florent Peterschmitt wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I'm not a developer and I know how it's difficult to make a port (or=20 > some ports, for example VirtualBox) but I think the port system has many= =20 > "problems": >=20 > 1. Ports are not modular What do you mean by modular? if you are speaking about subpackages it is co= ming, but it takes time > 2. Option system is not really well documented What kind of documentation do you need?, please report what you are expecte= d so that we can improve it > 3. Some dependencies are totally useless Please report PR > 4. So slow... What is slow do you mean compiling is slow? >=20 > Let me give some examples: >=20 > 1. games/wesnoth should be splitted in games/wesnoth-bin and=20 > games/wesnoth-datas. Why rebuild everything when just binaries needs ? This is coming, it takes lot of time, and some things have to be done first= , in the infrastructure that the user do not see much. > 2. Why do we have to put WITH_NEW_XORG in /etc/make.conf to get it ? Why= =20 > not put this var in a port configuration file which will be read by all= =20 > ports needing this var ? Because this is not that easy, do you have a technical way to propose? I th= ink noone is really happy with the WITH_NEW_XORG, but this is the "less worse" = :) way we found, if you have a better way to propose, please step up and propo= se. > 3. Why does GNOME really needs x11/yelp which depends on www/libxul,=20 > which is a big port to build ? I don't need yelp and I'm sure not to be= =20 > alone don't need this. Because everysingle gnome application providing a help menu will spawn the = yelp program so yes yelp is a big dependency of gnome. > 4. Generating Index, find dependencies. I know that we have time and=20 > that's not a priority, but it is slow. >=20 > I know that FreeBSD doesn't "change" because of "less surprising"=20 > philosophy (and I'm the first to say it's a good thing, but sometimes=20 > not so good), and also *BSD community is certainly less big than GNU=20 > community... >=20 > Port system will have some major updates in the future ? Yes major updates are being written and coming as fast as the free time all= ow it, a new more consistent option framework is already in, pkgng is in a beta phase and binary repositories are available there: http://pkgbeta.freebsd.o= rg, real uniquename for ports, and stage directory. Lots of the previous are not really appaeling and most user won't notice th= em but they are very important for the furtur. What will come next is multi package and flavours, but it first needs all t= he previous. regards, BApt --oyqLL/JqMvClXZi1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk/pXVwACgkQ8kTtMUmk6ExbLwCglcftg4F74Rq4fquEk5FYxvFL 4vUAnRTa3K2hYyeVhjapAmoq/hQ8+NWH =U6Gr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oyqLL/JqMvClXZi1--