From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Aug 9 16:56:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBCBCD10E for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2019 16:56:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 464rwm1CZQz3Hn5 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2019 16:56:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id x79Gu4FU098296; Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:56:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id x79Gu4du098295; Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:56:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201908091656.x79Gu4du098295@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: svn commit: r350550 - head/share/mk In-Reply-To: To: Cy Schubert Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:56:04 -0700 (PDT) CC: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, tech-lists X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 464rwm1CZQz3Hn5 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net has no SPF policy when checking 69.59.192.140) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.78)[0.776,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dnsmgr.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.20)[0.196,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.08)[0.082,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13868, ipnet:69.59.192.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.05)[ip: (0.15), ipnet: 69.59.192.0/19(0.08), asn: 13868(0.05), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2019 16:56:09 -0000 > On August 7, 2019 3:19:46 PM PDT, tech-lists wrote: > >On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 02:08:14PM -0700, Xin LI wrote: > > > >Hi, > > > >>I haven't dig deep on this topic, but it seems that parsing 'svn info' > >>output would solve it (by using "Last Changed Rev:" value). > >> > >>This issue do not exist on git. > > > >svn info will not return the revision of the running system. This is my > >point. With reproductible build turned on, there is no way as far as > >I'm aware > >of getting the revision of the sources the system was built from, and > >that bit of info can be very useful diagnosing/fixing and updating. > > > >It will return the revision of what the source directory was last > >updated to. > >That will probably be later than the running system. It won't return > >anything at all of course if the sources are no longer there. > > > >I'll try explaining another way. Let's say I'm relatively new to > >freebsd > >and I read up on downloading a 12-stable-snapshot and follow stable. > >Some issue with the base system happens. I email to stable@ and they > >ask > >what I'm running. I say, (because reproductible build defaults to "on" > >in > >this example) 12-stable. It's not really helpful to those wanting to > >assist. What benefit is had by losing this information by default? > > This change doesn't affect and never will affect users of stable. This is a -current (13-current to be exact) change only. It effects one group of users, release engineering, who now have added an action item to post stable branch operation to turn this flag back to WITH_REPRODUCABLE_BUILDS. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org