From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 16 01:53:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E191787A for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2014 01:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9E7CE3D for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2014 01:53:31 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=XKwZFc17B1jC1NXe1z6/Ic7bSzVlnpZm+70HxcehGjg=; b=QbAH8ODBfpsu+kJRGKUxiuEIpV7DxSyGtrY8dM2vOKqQrqh4a3xxcHNCmgsbdzo70RS5fgCuKnNdv+YSP20ZwptwYsUQlIpehKB39HW7PYRhLeVjunGvMb+6m7xaGA/bciOFfJVfQztXhmQpK6ocfTY3qQNV1FDO77+GpgJ5RTA=; Received: from [182.12.48.234] (port=24102 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1WP0GY-003K6o-C3; Sat, 15 Mar 2014 19:53:31 -0600 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 09:53:19 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: kpneal@pobox.com Subject: Re: Re: Message-ID: <20140316095319.3ee5864c@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <20140315164618.GA28642@neutralgood.org> References: <1394862552.77754.YahooMailBasic@web125805.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <53240450.8070308@FreeBSD.org> <20140315170858.d48c39ec2eb4a193e21917c4@rocketmail.com> <20140315165458.1b2a9ae6@fabiankeil.de> <1394900997.3587.176.camel@archlinux> <20140315164618.GA28642@neutralgood.org> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: m.fujimoto@rocketmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 01:53:31 -0000 Hi, On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 12:46:18 -0400 kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 05:29:57PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sat, 2014-03-15 at 16:54 +0100, Fabian Keil wrote: > > > Masayoshi Fujimoto wrote: > > >=20 > > > > Even personal use, I need permission? > > >=20 > > > Legally it depends on the country you live in. > > >=20 > > > In many (most?) countries you do not need the FreeBSD foundation's > > > permission to use the logo on a T-shirt for personal use. > >=20 > > In German we have a saying for legal gray areas: "Wo kein Kl=E4ger, da > > kein Richter!" I didn't find a translation for this idiom. >=20 > I know about as much German as any other single-language native > English speaker. But there is the more general English expression > "Better safe than sorry." >=20 not really, the German translates more to 'no risk, no fun'. > Trademark law varies country to country. Under US law the owner of a > trademark is _required_ to protect that trademark or risk losing it in > court. Sometimes when trademark owners do this (by having a lawyer > send a letter) it gets very bad press on, for example, slashdot.org. > Lots of people end up talking about how eeeee-evil trademark owner > are because they did what they, under the law, were required to do. > So we have in those cases a no-win situation for the trademark owner. Was it Jack Daniel's which wrote a letter to an 'abuser' in the 'proper' way. The abuser was nicely told that he did something wrong and it was suggested to find a solution which fits both. This gave the brand a very positive image even by protecting its brand. Erich