From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 8 12:02:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6445037B401 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9999A43F93 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HD100DW3GUUE1@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 12:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:52:26 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GNSXJTDP; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:53:55 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 12:01:48 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <200304082030.16589.dgw@liwest.at> To: Daniela , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-id: <200304081201.48350.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <20030406172035.GA45332@netpublishing.com> <200304082030.16589.dgw@liwest.at> Subject: Re: Brilliant and very useful for FreeBSD, IMHO X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:02:13 -0000 On Tuesday 08 April 2003 11:30 am, Daniela wrote: > Let the sysadmin tinker with the system, let the user use what the > sysadmin sets up, and everything in this world will be working. In the appropriate environment, you are absolutely correct! At work we have traditionally had a Solaris environment. New employees who have never seen a UNIX before feel right at home within the week. Why? Because they don't have to administer the system! Despite it's ugliness, CDE manages to be a very adequate program launcher. We have a Unix Level I class here at work, and a dozen Windows oriented classes, plus the odd SAP, Oracle, etc. classes. These are designed for new employees. When an employee takes the Unix class, that's all they need. Only IT members ever bother taking Unix Level II. But the Windows users take all of the Windows classes and still keep messing up their systems. We have about 25 people in IT to handle about 1000 Windows systems, and 2 people in IT to handle about 300 Solaris machines. With numbers like these, I can't help but suspect that Windows is harder for the experienced Windows user than UNIX is for the experienced UNIX user. David p.s. Across the corridor from me, two IT people have spent the last fifty minutes installing a harddrive in a Windows PC. They're still not done. Huh?