Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:00:38 -0500 From: "F. Even" <freebsdlists@elitists.org> To: <freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: AW: Innovation and Promotion - contains off-topic statements Message-ID: <06e501c12feb$58e7f0a0$6501a8c0@elitists.org> References: <OGEMLNCPKLDPIACJOMOLCEJLCDAA.js@jonsonn.de>
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----- Original Message ----- From: Jonas Sonntag <js@jonsonn.de> To: <freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: AW: AW: Innovation and Promotion - contains off-topic statements | david johnson wrote | > I must respectfully disagree. FreeBSD is much more than just an OS for | > routers. It is a general purpose operating system. | | you're absolutley right. i can tell that my p3-450, 128mb running on fbsd | outperformed a tb800, 512mb running win2k adv. server on a lan. i'm using it | for various things, but main purpose is routing. | | > Mac OSX is on the desktop. It's easy to use. For the most its OS is | > FreeBSD derived. And it is not "a kind of windows". | | fbsd derived, but fbsd isn't visible any more. would be to much for a mac | user. | Oh really?! It isn't?! Hmmm...my OSX install on my G4-400 downstairs seems to say the exact opposite. Have you ever even used it before? Doesn't sound like it. While Apple can be faulted for putting a lot of crap out in the past, they have done an awesome job w/ OSX. They have hidden everything away well enough for your average Joe Schmoe so they won't mess stuff up, but if you want access to the backend, you can get it. | > the way it is accessed (keeping the old way around for old farts like | > me). There's no reason you have to eliminate cp, rm, ls and cat just | > because the user has access to an easier to use file manager. | | apple did. know why? | see what keiko recktenwald wrote: | > Yes, it might be neccessary to confirm, but I think this is much easier | > done, tired Joes in the night, surfing all day long, not knowing what they | > do, that writing such a silly batch file. No...Apple did not. You are wrong here. | | and *THAT IS* the point! | do you think joe, who uses a gui similar to mac os and who tries and | downloads a script that promises to speed up his internet connection would | check if there isn't something like 'rm -R *' included? would he as a gui | user have noticed that there is a file structure behind it? he would have a | really bad day, just because some 10 year old felt funny about the | possibilities included for old farts. As far as I know, scripts are not directly executable in OSX by clicking an icon (unless maybe an Applescript of some sort...not sure if they have maintained that in OSX or not). You would have to drop to the command line to execute something like that, from what I have been able to gather (I could be wrong....). | | i have used ms os'es for more then ten years now, and i know i shouldn't | look at a picture that ends with jpg.vbs. | ever wondered why email-worms and silly batch scripts only appear in the ms | world? because its os'es for beginners *and* advanced users. and those | advanced users who have had a bad day can have their fun with beginners that | do not know about file extensions. | would you like them to use shell scripts or perl instead of visual basic? Maybe, maybe not. It is mostly because of the loss of common sense and the advent of common stupidity that allows anyone to just click on anything that they very well know might be "dangerous" when they have not the foggiest clue who sent it to them or why they may be receiving it. | i fear having those people in the unix world. i'm happy to have them in the | ms world when it comes to working, because here are only advanced users who | have better to do. MacOSX can currently do that w/out anyone creating any substantial amount of damage. You can consider those problems part of MS's design issue. I will say...I once upon a time would have said that you end up robbing too much functionality if you made it useable to the Lowest Common Denominator.....but, OSX is going a long way to prove otherwise. OTOH though...everyone MUST realize that there are some people out there that just should not be in front of a computer period. They won't make an attempt to learn anything new, and they just want to gripe and whine about every little thing that can be traced back to their own ignorance of the topic. Nothing anyone does in interface design is going to want to make this group of people actually learn anything new. | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message
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