From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 6 12:40:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9D937B719 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:40:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f26KdlI55357; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:39:52 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103062039.f26KdlI55357@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: Mike Meyer Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:39:47 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Stallman stalls again Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: Brett Glass , Rahul Siddharthan , "Victor R. Cardona" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <15013.18818.990246.193990@guru.mired.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010306131533.046dfc60@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Before this goes much further, might I suggest that a new thread be started instead of continuing it under this one. On 6 Mar 2001, at 14:33, Mike Meyer wrote: > Brett Glass types: > > At 12:56 PM 3/6/2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > >> I cannot understand why you are attacking me for doing so. The > > >> only motivations I can imagine are (a) that you share Stallman's > > >> spite and hatred; (b) that you've been taken in by the propaganda he > > >> has spread to further his agenda; or (c) you think you have something > > >> to gain within the social group of this mailing list by attacking me. > > >Resorting to mud-slinging just weakens your argument. > > > > I'm not resorting to anything of the sort. Read the above again, > > and you'll see that I am, rather, asking Mr. Siddharthan why HE > > is mudslinging. > > I don't see a single question in the statement you quoted. Instead, I > see you accusing Mr. Siddharthan of spite and hate, being gullible, > simply being malicious, or possibly some combination of the three. All of > those are insulting, and constitute mud-slinging. You do imply the question > by suggesting reasons, but it would have been more seemly to simply *ask*, > rather than throw up a barrage of insulting suggestions. > > You also quoted me out of context, as my original quoted you saying: > > > > Also untrue. I don't "hate" Richard Stallman, though I do believe > > > that what he is doing is unethical. It is Stallman who is filled > > > with hatred -- the result of the trauma documented so well in > > > Steven Levy's book "Hackers" and in Stallman's own writings -- > > > and is causing much harm. I'm speaking out against that hatred > > > and malice. > > Ethics - or lack thereof - are a mudslingers favorite target. Saying that > someone is acting out of hatred and malice in an era when hate crimes draw > special punishments is mud-slinging of the vilest sort. That your arguments > against Mr. Stallman's position seem to inevitably lead to this kind of > personal attack on him may well have something to do with *why* people > accuse you of hating him. -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message