From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 26 4:20:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF19437B401 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 04:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from energyhq.homeip.net (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367AB43F85 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 04:20:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from flynn@energyhq.homeip.net) Received: from christine.energyhq.tk (christine.energyhq.tk [192.168.100.1]) by energyhq.homeip.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C45BEAF59B; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:20:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:21:19 +0100 From: Miguel Mendez To: "Paul Robinson" Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jive (was RE: was this really necessary?) Message-Id: <20030226132119.172e03aa.flynn@energyhq.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20030226124320.08ec6b6f.flynn@energyhq.homeip.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) X-Face: 1j}k*2E>Y\+C~E|/wehi[:dCM,{N7/uE 3o# P,{t7gA/qnovFDDuyQV.1hdT7&#d)q"xY33}{_GS>kk'S{O]nE$A`T|\4&p\&mQyexOLb8}FO List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=.UlCn34e5/q5Is. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:06:57 -0000 "Paul Robinson" wrote: > Encouraging racially offensive behaviour is not humourous. If you > think it is, then that's your choice. Personally, I just think it's > pathetic. I That again, is your own point of view. I happen to have excellent people with afro-american origins who found the post funny. So what you say now? > - perhaps they should be judging you on CVS commits, -hackers, -arch > or perhaps even meeting you in person rather than -chat, so maybe you > want to apply for another job anyway Exactly, if someone judges my worthiness by my posts on chat instead of my work, I'd rather not join that company. > - regardless of the first point, you should consider whether you want > to be considered by your peers and future employers as somebody who > finds "nigger jokes" funny. Your choice. Still, I get the impression you give it much more thinking than it deserves. If life taught me something is, learn to make fun of yourself. > If jive was > considered appropriate for base rather than ports, that trust > relationship would be severly damaged, and as a result could quite > easily affect whether I choose to run FreeBSD. I do not think it would You can't try to push your moral values on your users. > It's a joke that causes reactions in some people that is quite > un-nervingly revealing about their personalities. Remember, this > particular sub-thread is based around the idea that your future > employer/spouse/children may end up reading these posts. Again, if you > think that racially offensive humour is funny, that's fine - you've > put that down on record. I just happen to strongly disagree. As I've said, if my spouse judged me by a post on chat I'd rather look for another woman. Same about the boss. > I never troll. The statements I make may cause you to feel offended, > in which case I apologise in advance, but I would say it your face as No, I don't feel offended at all, and that's my point. Take it easier on the lists. I think it's Poul-Henning who has a sig about that. He says 'Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity", I'd like to replace stupidity with 'I just wanted to make a joke'. We'll have to agree to disagree on what's fun and not, but let's not make drama about it. AFAIK, nobody committed suicide because of this. Cheers, -- Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net GPG Public Key :: http://energyhq.homeip.net/files/pubkey.txt EnergyHQ :: http://www.energyhq.tk Of course it runs NetBSD! Tired of Spam? -> http://www.trustic.com --=.UlCn34e5/q5Is. Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (NetBSD) iD8DBQE+XLFCnLctrNyFFPERAlG/AKCwqYEKNBsBoTEM5BjeGhteaLkEGgCfXj0G u+/ONRwWfeuDnkIjCVtKluI= =RZb7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.UlCn34e5/q5Is.-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message