Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:27:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> To: freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (Rodney W. Grimes) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, brett@lariat.org, n@nectar.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Filtering port 25 (was Re: On hub.freebsd.org refusing to Message-ID: <199909291727.KAA16205@usr06.primenet.com> In-Reply-To: <199909290104.SAA17835@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Sep 28, 99 06:04:45 pm
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> > > Moreover, in order to detect an abusive pattern of mailing, you need > > > to have logging -- which you get when you channel users' mail through > > > your server. > > > > Transparent proxy, logging limited to not log potentially sensitive > > information, only traffic analysis; shortlived to make it useless > > to a court order. > > Slippery slope, as a Carrier we have to retain such data, if collected > in the normal operation of our business for something like 3 years... > Things like data collected for billing records, protection of our > network, clients and connected carriers all has specific minimal legal > retention periods on it, with pretty stiff fines if you don't have it > when it is asked for. Furthermore we have 48 hours to produce any of > this data when it is requested by court order so we have to manage > that massive pile carefully :-(. Though we are allowed to charge a > small bounded fee for retreaving it, that fee no where near compensates > for the needed storage of such data, we have to pass that on to the > customer, and are allowed to under law. The point is that you aren't really collecting the data, you are collecting trigger points which result in data. The data you have is whether or not a particular account has demonstrated a pattern of abuse with regards to your AUP, based on scoring. So _maybe_ you'd have to keep your score data for a set period of time, but that's practically useless as a legal bludgeon (except perhaps to another ISP using the same scoring criteria). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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